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Re:Tech CEOs are backtrack on RTO mandates–now, 3% want work... by skirmish on Sunday August 04, 2024 @03:11PM (#41155594)
Same insanity at Google. Doesn't matter that you are the only team member at this location, it's 3 mandatory days per week in office, or else your VP starts getting notifications.

A cherry on top, HR scripts don't properly account for partial vacation weeks, so if you have 3 vacation days in a week, you are still supposed to be in office 3 days a week, or else your VP gets notified.

Re:Tech CEOs are backtrack on RTO mandates–now, 3% want work... by sidewndr46 on Sunday August 04, 2024 @04:18PM (#41156048)
That's understandable after all. It's an advertising company, not a tech company. Small details like vacation aren't really something they can account for.
Re:Tech CEOs are backtrack on RTO mandates–now, 3% want work... by faizshah on Sunday August 04, 2024 @03:29PM (#41155716)
Same at Amazon, 0 teammates out of the 100+ on my product work at my office or in my timezone but I have to badge into it because they don’t allow virtual positions anymore. So now I have to spend 2.5 hours commuting, worse mood, I'm less flexible for meetings…
Re:Tech CEOs are backtrack on RTO mandates–now, 3% want work... by VectorLock on Sunday August 04, 2024 @03:49PM (#41155855)
Pay somebody to badge in/out for you. If none of your team mates are in the office, who will notice?
Re:Tech CEOs are backtrack on RTO mandates–now, 3% want work... by mandeepj on Sunday August 04, 2024 @04:10PM (#41156002)
So, you are asking OP to get a dupe badge or ship their badge to someone else? If latter, what if OP needs their badge? Proxy entries can be easily validated through camera. It’s all asking for a trouble for a small short term benefit
Re:Tech CEOs are backtrack on RTO mandates–now, 3% want work... by VectorLock on Sunday August 04, 2024 @08:50PM (#41157339)
Saving 2.5 hours a day I wouldn't classify as a "small short term benefit."
Re:Tech CEOs are backtrack on RTO mandates–now, 3% want work... by glimshe on Sunday August 04, 2024 @04:08PM (#41155991)
Google is installing face recognition on some offices to prevent this trick.
Re:Tech CEOs are backtrack on RTO mandates–now, 3% want work... by ridiculous_leke on Sunday August 04, 2024 @04:55PM (#41156279)
Isn't that ID fraud?
Re:Tech CEOs are backtrack on RTO mandates–now, 3% want work... by kelseyfrog on Sunday August 04, 2024 @06:57PM (#41156884)
It's not ID fraud, it's disrupting the personal location space
Re:Tech CEOs are backtrack on RTO mandates–now, 3% want work... by mattgreenrocks on Sunday August 04, 2024 @06:11PM (#41156675)
That connotes lawlessness unnecessarily. These are just companies trying to enforce stupid rules.
Re:Tech CEOs are backtrack on RTO mandates–now, 3% want work... by missedthecue on Sunday August 04, 2024 @07:22PM (#41156975)
You won't be thrown into prison for it, but it's a fireable offense. Isn't that worth noting?
Re:Tech CEOs are backtrack on RTO mandates–now, 3% want work... by toomuchtodo on Sunday August 04, 2024 @08:07PM (#41157173)
Being a worker is a fireable offense. Don’t do this, but also don’t pretend you have any safety whatsoever just because you follow master’s rules. Your working relationship is tenuous in perpetuity.
Re:Tech CEOs are backtrack on RTO mandates–now, 3% want work... by stmpjmpr on Sunday August 04, 2024 @06:36PM (#41156772)
I know of someone who, at a different company, did this. They were discovered and fired immediately. Don’t follow this advice.
Re:Tech CEOs are backtrack on RTO mandates–now, 3% want work... by jacobjjacob on Monday August 05, 2024 @12:27AM (#41158184)
This would be a really easy way to get yourself fired. Might as well get fired for staying home and save the money paying somebody
Re:Tech CEOs are backtrack on RTO mandates–now, 3% want work... by jononor on Sunday August 04, 2024 @05:31PM (#41156481)
I sure hope you are taking those 2.5 hours out of your working hours. They are the ones that are forcing you to do this. If they think it's worth it, fine - but it has to go out of the time they pay you for - not your free time.
Re:Tech CEOs are backtrack on RTO mandates–now, 3% want work... by episteme on Sunday August 04, 2024 @06:02PM (#41156625)
Then you have 2.5 hours less to get work done compared to everyone else you are competing with at your performance review. This hurts you more than it hurts them.
Re:Tech CEOs are backtrack on RTO mandates–now, 3% want work... by ycombinatrix on Sunday August 04, 2024 @07:41PM (#41157063)
Spending an extra 2.5 hours at work doesn't hurt you?
Re:Tech CEOs are backtrack on RTO mandates–now, 3% want work... by bradknowles on Monday August 05, 2024 @11:52PM (#41167628)
The RTO requirement at Amazon was the penultimate straw for me.

The final straw was when we got the word that we would be required to move so that we would be co-located with our management in the HQ2 offices, or we would have to find alternative employment elsewhere.

We weren’t given a timeframe on when that was going to happen, but based on the timeframe I saw from the announcement of RTO to the enforcement of RTO, I knew it wouldn’t be long. So, I chose to leave as quickly as possible.

I gave my manager early warning that I was actively looking for alternative employment, and I kept him appraised of how the interview process was going, and then how the decision process was going, and then how the hiring paperwork process was going. When everything was finalized, he then got my official two weeks notice.

That was also when I told a few people inside the company that I was leaving and where I was going, but my official notification to the team wasn’t made until my actual final day — my manager requested that he be the one to make that announcement.

During my final two weeks, my manager also told me that he decided to also leave, and move back to India. I don’t know if he was forced out because too many people had left the team within the past year, or if it was truly a personal decision. But I do know we lost a lot of good people.

So, RTO is not the worst thing that can be done to you by your employer. Wait until they force you to move to be co-located with your manager and the rest of whatever team remains. And all without any kind of assistance with the moving costs, because you’re just that damn lucky to still have a job at all.

But that’s the Amazon way. RTO, forced co-location, stack ranking, unregretted attrition, the whole nine yards. Humans really are one hundred percent disposable if you work at Amazon.

Re:Tech CEOs are backtrack on RTO mandates–now, 3% want work... by ruined on Sunday August 04, 2024 @03:14PM (#41155610)
let them get notifications
Re:Tech CEOs are backtrack on RTO mandates–now, 3% want work... by toomuchtodo on Sunday August 04, 2024 @03:17PM (#41155630)
Interview for remote roles from the office.
Re:Tech CEOs are backtrack on RTO mandates–now, 3% want work... by NewJazz on Sunday August 04, 2024 @03:16PM (#41155628)
Create filter rule > skip inbox lol
Re:Tech CEOs are backtrack on RTO mandates–now, 3% want work... by thn-gap on Sunday August 04, 2024 @04:57PM (#41156285)
Most teams in Europe either don't care, or can't use the badging data to affect performance because whatever local laws. I'm glad that for once they didn't fully enforce policies worldwide because some VP in the US is butthurt that their reports don't want to show up at the office.
Re:Tech CEOs are backtrack on RTO mandates–now, 3% want work... by polotics on Sunday August 04, 2024 @05:16PM (#41156400)
What about the coffee-badging? That is, turning-up for one hour or so at a convenient time of those three days, maybe getting lunch with colleagues, and working the rest while in commute or at home...
Re:Tech CEOs are backtrack on RTO mandates–now, 3% want work... by bradknowles on Monday August 05, 2024 @11:55PM (#41167641)
They are also tracking when you badge in for the first time in the day, and when you badge out for the last time, and all the times in between. Because of course you have to badge out and back in again to go to the bathroom or the cafe.

This tracking is reported all the way down to your immediate manager on a weekly basis. Or, at least it was back when I worked at Amazon.

Re:Tech CEOs are backtrack on RTO mandates–now, 3% want work... by polotics on Tuesday August 06, 2024 @12:55AM (#41167883)
Ok but this is only Amazon's SOP of mistreating employees as a trauma-bonding technique, right? I don't think this is industry-wide at all.
Re:Tech CEOs are backtrack on RTO mandates–now, 3% want work... by bradknowles on Tuesday August 06, 2024 @01:41AM (#41168109)
Amazon is certainly not the only company to do RTO. Nor are they the only company to do stack ranking. Nor are they the only company to do “hire for firing”, which is what unregretted attrition is basically about.

So far, they do seem to be the only company I’ve heard of so far that is doing the forced co-location with your management, specifically for people who were hired as remote and promised that they could stay remote.

I’m sure they have some other practices that may be common amongst other companies, and probably some that are not common amongst other companies. But in terms of the main ones I mentioned, there is a great deal of overlap.