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Re:Chinese-born chemist cleared of last conviction under US’... by segasaturn on Tuesday July 23, 2024 @02:22PM (#41049165)
>In 2019, the United States Department of Justice indicted Tao for 'failing to disclose conflict of interest with a Chinese university' .. The evidence used by the Department of Justice was obtained after Tao was reported to the FBI for alleged espionage by a vengeful co-author, who presented manufactured evidence to the FBI. Based on this evidence, the FBI obtained a search warrant. Tao was subsequently indicted for an email regarding a contract to teach in China, but not for alleged espionage

I don't even understand how any of this is illegal? You can be thrown in prison and have your reputation and career ruined by the government for sending an email to someone in China now?

Re:Chinese-born chemist cleared of last conviction under US’... by cvoss on Tuesday July 23, 2024 @03:35PM (#41049887)
The federal government has a strong interest in carefully selecting recipients of grant funds (often large sums) and in controlling the purposes and uses of those funds. As a condition of receiving funds, the government may naturally wish to confirm that recipients will not be using the funds in ways that benefit other state actors, in conflict with the government's policies.

Officially misrepresenting that state of affairs to the government with so much on the line is what's illegal, not "sending an email to someone in China."

Re:Chinese-born chemist cleared of last conviction under US’... by 99_00 on Tuesday July 23, 2024 @02:42PM (#41049381)
He was taking money from the department of energy for research while collaborating with Chinese universities and did not disclose this and lied to investigators about it.
Re:Chinese-born chemist cleared of last conviction under US’... by elashri on Tuesday July 23, 2024 @03:25PM (#41049786)
I know a lot of people who are working in collaboration with Chinese universities and does get funded from the US government budget (through NSF and DOE). DOE funds a lot of open research and not only the nuclear/national security related research. I don't think this is in itself a problem. I'm not sure also what is defined as a lie here. Exchanging emails with people interested in your research does not automatically mean you collaborate together. The case is ambiguous, and you shouldn't jump to generalization like that.

There is no ban on collaborating with Chinese universities in the US. There are restrictions for some type of research (that actually extend to the other countries as well).

Re:Chinese-born chemist cleared of last conviction under US’... by 99_00 on Tuesday July 23, 2024 @05:37PM (#41051210)
The point is that he wasn’t charged for sending an email
Re:Chinese-born chemist cleared of last conviction under US’... by akira2501 on Tuesday July 23, 2024 @08:41PM (#41052542)
> I'm not sure also what is defined as a lie here.

It's the "Martha Stewart" lesson. It may be that you have done nothing wrong. The government may stop by and ask you questions anyways. If you lie during those questions you have committed a felony.

Do NOT speak without a lawyer. In particular if you have anything worth losing. Which is more or less everyone.

Re:Chinese-born chemist cleared of last conviction under US’... by hermannj314 on Tuesday July 23, 2024 @02:44PM (#41049408)
Isn't that the charge he was cleared for?
Re:Chinese-born chemist cleared of last conviction under US’... by dralley on Tuesday July 23, 2024 @02:53PM (#41049496)
He was cleared of espionage. He was not cleared for lying about the conflict of interest.
Re:Chinese-born chemist cleared of last conviction under US’... by no_exit on Tuesday July 23, 2024 @03:54PM (#41050106)
FTA:

> At issue in the new ruling, issued 11 July, is whether Tao’s lack of disclosure about his affiliation with Fuzhou University in China affected federal agency funding decisions. The Denver appeals court agreed 2-1 that it was irrelevant because Tao had no grant proposals pending before those two agencies in question – the US Department of Energy and National Science Foundation – at the time he made his affiliation statement.

Re:Chinese-born chemist cleared of last conviction under US’... by Leary on Tuesday July 23, 2024 @02:56PM (#41049518)
That conviction was overturned a week ago[1]

[1] https://cen.acs.org/research-integrity/misconduct/Court-over...

Re:Chinese-born chemist cleared of last conviction under US’... by psychoslave on Tuesday July 23, 2024 @03:05PM (#41049622)
LOL. Because those that make these laws pass and participate in the witch hunt turned into a justice show never lied about conflict of interest, what actual agenda they have in mind, and how much they really care abouto serving humanity best interests.
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Re:Chinese-born chemist cleared of last conviction under US’... by cycomanic on Tuesday July 23, 2024 @03:34PM (#41049872)
On the other hand the US agencies conducted a large scale supply campaign that included industrial espionage [1] spying on charities, the heads of friendly governments and its own citizens, breaking into data centres of legitamte business in friendly nations to install equipment and lying to their own government [2] and AFAIK nobody ever went to prison for any of it.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON [2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Snowden

Why is it ok for one country to do this, but somehow outrageous that another country does it (and likely on a much less sophisticated scale)

Re:Chinese-born chemist cleared of last conviction under US’... by samlinnfer on Tuesday July 23, 2024 @02:38PM (#41049336)
The 1st one just normal spy business. The 3rd one is just some guy hosting a piracy website, which has nothing to do with espionage.

Your evidence for some grand scheme of technology theft doesn't seem to be well supported or justify racial profiling.

Re:Chinese-born chemist cleared of last conviction under US’... by chiakcken on Tuesday July 23, 2024 @02:50PM (#41049476)
regarding the 1st link, not sure what you mean, espionage is espionage.

regarding the 3rd link

"The theft and piracy perpetuated by Xiang Li, 36, of Chengdu, China, included industrial-grade software and confidential data stolen from the internal server of a cleared defense contractor"

Re:Chinese-born chemist cleared of last conviction under US’... by aragonite on Tuesday July 23, 2024 @03:30PM (#41049835)
> ...included industrial-grade software and confidential data stolen from the internal server of a cleared defense contractor...

Not by Xiang Li himself, it's worth noting. So this particular example at least hardly supports the general conclusion you seem to be implying.

> [Wronald Best]’s trafficking in cracked software involved not only stolen property but also stolen ideas. ... On the supply side of the equation, he was the one releasing MPD’s software into the “wilds” of the Internet by providing it to Russian Cracker, and assisting Xiang Li by providing detailed installation instructions. On the demand side of the equation, as a consumer, Best used stolen, cracked software to design and manufacture products for the military and law enforcement, without payment to the companies that created the software in the first place. (https://www.google.com/books/edition/CRACK99_The_Takedown_of...)

Re:Chinese-born chemist cleared of last conviction under US’... by samlinnfer on Tuesday July 23, 2024 @03:19PM (#41049726)
The point is every country has spies everywhere, just go to nearest embassy.

Yes he operated a site that hosted cracked software. How does this support your narrative he was a spy or that it was espionage instead of for personal financial gain?

Let’s have a read of the first paragraph

>The individual operated a website used to distribute more than $100 million worth of pirated software around the world, making it one of the most significant cases of copyright infringement ever uncovered – and dismantled

Why don’t you quote this paragraph of your source?

>The investigation revealed that Li used the Crack 99 website to distribute pirated or cracked software to customers all over the world, including the United States

It’s a hard sell spinning this into espionage.

Re:Chinese-born chemist cleared of last conviction under US’... by vaidhy on Tuesday July 23, 2024 @02:42PM (#41049385)
None of these national secrets. If you think they are industrial spies, many, many other people are also convicted for stealing trade secrets.
Re:Chinese-born chemist cleared of last conviction under US’... by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday July 23, 2024 @02:54PM (#41049506)
> if you think they are industrial spies, many, many other people are also convicted for stealing trade secrets

Industrial spying for an adversary is o.g. espionage.

Re:Chinese-born chemist cleared of last conviction under US’... by aragonite on Tuesday July 23, 2024 @03:06PM (#41049630)
Crack99 had a significant number of American (government) customers. The crack softwares were used by a NASA engineer to help "do his job better" and by a chief scientist at a defense contractor to design components for Black Hawk and Marine One.[1][2]

[1] https://www.justice.gov/usao-de/pr/chief-scientist-governmen...

[2] https://www.justice.gov/archive/usao/de/news/2012/Li%20Press...

Re:Chinese-born chemist cleared of last conviction under US’... by chiakcken on Tuesday July 23, 2024 @02:52PM (#41049485)
That's neither here nor there. espionages are espionages.
Re:Chinese-born chemist cleared of last conviction under US’... by gklitz on Wednesday July 24, 2024 @05:42AM (#41055256)
It isn’t illegal, that’s the point. For political reasons an initiative was created to “hunt Chinese Innovation theft” and that initiative needed to go after “someone” so they looked through what hints they could find and went after people who were doing nothing wrong, but looked like they could at least be pressured into taking some plea deal, so the politically motivated xenophobic which hunt committee could present a result of “this many people were ‘caught’” and get a nice big bonus for creating a Fox News sound bite.

This was started under Trump, and canned under Biden. It’s a travesty and complete circus of an injustice and a racially motivated assault on the scientific community.