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Re:Cradle: Empowering Foundation Agents Towards General Comp... by Art9681 on Friday July 12, 2024 @09:22AM (#40945339)
Fantastic. This is why efforts to defeat web scrapers will ultimately prove futile unless the human/computer interfaces require constant biometric authentication. I imagine in some dark timeline, content will not be displayed unless the finger touching the trackpad is a human finger. Or the keyboard keys wont register unless they detect a fingerprint or other bio signatures. Same thing with online multiplayer games. Only approved controllers that have some future tech that constantly polls that fingerprint pressing the buttons to ensure it is a human.

Perhaps something like the eye tracking tech in modern vehicles to ensure you're paying attention if the lane assist is turned on.

Of course, that would be awful. But what other recourse is there?

Re:Cradle: Empowering Foundation Agents Towards General Comp... by squigz on Friday July 12, 2024 @10:05AM (#40945687)
> unless the human/computer interfaces require constant biometric authentication

Other than the obvious path of getting over this fear of bots and whatnot, I see 2 options forward in this regard: 1) government ID verification on all major platforms 2) end-to-end verification of all software being ran, and refusal to run other programs if unsigned code is present; I'm pretty sure there's plenty of efforts in this area already

Re:Cradle: Empowering Foundation Agents Towards General Comp... by polotics on Friday July 12, 2024 @10:25AM (#40945861)
Sure, end-to-end verification of software being run could be a thing, but what then prevents the LLM-assisted setup from using an analog video feed to a separate computer, and analog input back on keyboard and mouse? Do you also expect we'd sign-off on location and proximity -tracking for all computing devices in existence?
Re:Cradle: Empowering Foundation Agents Towards General Comp... by squigz on Friday July 12, 2024 @10:28AM (#40945890)
I mean... I wouldn't have expected us to 'sign off' on many of the privacy-eroding shit we've been given, and yet...

To be clear, I agree that this is a losing battle, but I don't think that's going to stop some interested parties in pushing systems like what we're talking about.

Re:Cradle: Empowering Foundation Agents Towards General Comp... by doctorpangloss on Friday July 12, 2024 @02:15PM (#40948034)
Every time you access a Cloudflare WAF protected service from an iPhone’s cell connection, you are living the situation you describe.
Re:Cradle: Empowering Foundation Agents Towards General Comp... by dsign on Friday July 12, 2024 @09:38AM (#40945467)
> What other resources is there?

Charge money to the content consumer? Of course, that will be unacceptable for companies that make money from ads…they will prefer the dystopia. It will also be bad for us humans when our income dwindles because the machines take our jobs…which this paper shows it’s just a matter of time.

Re:Cradle: Empowering Foundation Agents Towards General Comp... by gs17 on Friday July 12, 2024 @11:14AM (#40946333)
I imagine in that same timeline, none of the issues have actually been solved but there are a lot more homeless people with missing fingers.
Re:Cradle: Empowering Foundation Agents Towards General Comp... by userbinator on Friday July 12, 2024 @09:54AM (#40945590)
Drink verification can.
Re:Cradle: Empowering Foundation Agents Towards General Comp... by add-sub-mul-div on Friday July 12, 2024 @10:30AM (#40945915)
> Of course, that would be awful. But what other recourse is there?

Rewatching Jurassic Park?

Re:Cradle: Empowering Foundation Agents Towards General Comp... by throwaway4aday on Friday July 12, 2024 @03:54PM (#40948822)
If the bot isn't abusing the service and is operating at a speed roughly equivalent to a human and your intent is to distribute the service freely or the bot is paying a fee for access then what's the problem? Anything I can think of would also be abuse of the terms of service or code of conduct and falls in the same category as regular meat people doing the same things.