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Re:AMD to buy Silo AI for $665M by csomar on Wednesday July 10, 2024 @09:53AM (#40926935)
Sure, buying this company for 600m will fix everything.
Re:AMD to buy Silo AI for $665M by sqeaky on Wednesday July 10, 2024 @10:04AM (#40927022)
That is the most sarcastic thing I have read in weeks.

But isn't getting a software stack the exact kind of thing they need? Is there no overlap in the skills at the purchased company and the skills needed to make the AMD software stack not suck?

Re:AMD to buy Silo AI for $665M by baobabKoodaa on Wednesday July 10, 2024 @10:36AM (#40927385)
Sure, there is some overlap. Is that overlap worth 665M?
Re:AMD to buy Silo AI for $665M by rvnx on Wednesday July 10, 2024 @10:43AM (#40927457)
Yes, it brought instantly (at least partially) +12B USD on the valuation of AMD. This shows to investors that AMD is still in the race.
Re:AMD to buy Silo AI for $665M by baobabKoodaa on Wednesday July 10, 2024 @10:49AM (#40927538)
Yeah I saw the stock market uptick, but that is a kneejerk reaction by the public markets. It's not as if the public market participants have had ample time to evaluate the merits of the acquisition, and even then, if they are right or not.
Re:AMD to buy Silo AI for $665M by szundi on Wednesday July 10, 2024 @12:30PM (#40928654)
Anyway, it seems market thinks this is a 20x value acquisition.
Re:AMD to buy Silo AI for $665M by drexlspivey on Wednesday July 10, 2024 @12:51PM (#40928845)
You shouldn't attribute that on the acquisition. The stock went 3.8% up today but also 4% up on monday, 4.8% up last Friday 4.2% up last Tuesday etc.
Re:AMD to buy Silo AI for $665M by sqeaky on Wednesday July 10, 2024 @07:50PM (#40932593)
Going straight by stock price isn't very valuable unless you're selling immediately.

600 million dollars is a lot, and in order for that 12 billion increase to stick around this team up needs to present a lot of value. I'm optimistic but I'm also an outsider.

Re:AMD to buy Silo AI for $665M by lyu07282 on Wednesday July 10, 2024 @11:18AM (#40927888)
That assumes that the reason AMD's software stack sucks is because of skill, not company culture, management or other reasons that won't change with this acquisition.
Re:AMD to buy Silo AI for $665M by throwway120385 on Wednesday July 10, 2024 @11:31AM (#40928048)
If it's a culture problem and the C-suite is aware of it, then one reason to buy a company with a working software stack is to percolate their culture into your company so you can be successful.
Re:AMD to buy Silo AI for $665M by szundi on Wednesday July 10, 2024 @12:31PM (#40928660)
Hopefully the ceo of the acquired company gets a director role in AMD then at least, not subordinated a supposedly subpar cultured director already in AMD
Re:AMD to buy Silo AI for $665M by aardvarkr on Wednesday July 10, 2024 @12:55PM (#40928883)
I have a friend working there and it's a bunch of old curmudgeons stuck in their way. Good luck changing culture with a single acquisition
Re:AMD to buy Silo AI for $665M by throwway120385 on Wednesday July 10, 2024 @01:43PM (#40929405)
The company I used to work for is doing this to the engineering org in my current employer. It requires the leadership from the old company to be embedded in very senior positions, and it requires buy-in from the existing C-suite. There's a lot of backroom politics to change culture along with a bunch of work to prove yourselves to people who aren't involved in the backroom. There have been a bunch of points at which I didn't think it would continue but so far the original team has been pretty successful at rising.

Think of it as a reverse McDonnell-Douglas.

Re:AMD to buy Silo AI for $665M by imtringued on Wednesday July 10, 2024 @02:32PM (#40929906)
I also have this impression. The software problems that are plaguing AMD are in the "less than $10 million" range, if they hired the right people to work on the most severe bugs in their GPU drivers and let them do their job.
Re:AMD to buy Silo AI for $665M by eysgshsvsvsv on Wednesday July 10, 2024 @10:22AM (#40927229)
You all live in a simple world where complex systems are fixed in simple statements like software stack is all they need.
Re:AMD to buy Silo AI for $665M by sqeaky on Wednesday July 10, 2024 @10:35AM (#40927376)
Why the personal attack?

I said that I interpreted the previous comment as sarcastic so I could be called out if it wasn't. The author hasn't yet disagreed. And I think sarcasm is warranted in a space that has witnessed so many bad acquisitions.

On software at AMD; if my world is so simple, please explain where I am wrong. I never said this was a simple solution, I implied there was some overlap needed skills.

ROCm sucks, it has licensing and apparently use issues. It has had performance issues, and that is getting better. It isn't in a lot of the places it needs to be where it could be considered a default choice.

Apparently, Silo uses AMD stuff to do ML work. Apparently, they have domain experts in this space. It seems likely that getting input from such people could positively influence the ML and hardware.

Of course there will be complexity in this process. This is a 600 million dollar deal involving thousands of people (not just Silo employee, but AMD people, regulators, stakeholders, etc). I don't think anyone is implying this is simple.

I only wanted to say, "This isn't obviously dumb".

Re:AMD to buy Silo AI for $665M by mindcrime on Wednesday July 10, 2024 @10:46AM (#40927505)
I'm curious about these "licensing issues" you speak of. From what I've seen, the vast majority of the ROCm components are MIT licensed, with a few bits of Apache license and NCSA Open Source License mixed in. Could you possibly elaborate on that?
Re:AMD to buy Silo AI for $665M by sqeaky on Wednesday July 10, 2024 @07:53PM (#40932607)
It has been a while, but last time I got the ROCm drivers and some other items that I needed from them there was a really weird proprietary license. That might not be the case anymore my information might be stale.
Re:AMD to buy Silo AI for $665M by rdtsc on Wednesday July 10, 2024 @10:49AM (#40927543)
What do you think they should do?
Re:AMD to buy Silo AI for $665M by anonym29 on Wednesday July 10, 2024 @10:37AM (#40927394)
"fix"? What is there to fix? AMD has been simultaneously fighting Intel and Nvidia, two MUCH larger companies, and it's been winning the fight against Intel for close to a decade now.

It's certainly not Lisa Su's fault that the clowns over at Intel got stuck on variations of 14nm (with clever marketing names like 14nm+++++) for nearly a decade, but credit certainly is hers for introducing Zen and putting AMD back on top of the x86 market.

With the new x870(e) motherboards and Granite Ridge chips right around the corner, effortlessly destroying the pyrotechnic processing units known as Raptor Lake, it's honestly a miracle to me that Intel's stock price is still as high as it is.

Guess wall street still loves those billions of forcefully confiscated taxpayer dollars being doled out by Uncle Sam to a graying dinosaur like Intel who couldn't even compete without those handouts... the quality of their marketplace offerings certainly isn't what's keeping that valuation up!

Re:AMD to buy Silo AI for $665M by philistine on Wednesday July 10, 2024 @10:45AM (#40927484)
I’m also bullish on Intel, but clearly not as much as you. Intel is transitioning right now. x86 is never going to reclaim the crown of most important architecture, so Intel is trying its best to become a foundry for all the fabless customers out there. It’s going to take a long while, but right now they’re the best company to compete with TSMC in ten years. If Apple uses their foundries next decade, you’ll know Intel is back on top.
Re:AMD to buy Silo AI for $665M by throwaway2037 on Thursday July 11, 2024 @04:02AM (#40934564)

    > x86 is never going to reclaim the crown of most important architecture
To be clear, I assume you are including 32-bit and 64-bit, e.g., x86-64. I am surprised by this comment. To me, x86 won the architecture battle because of Linux (and less Microsoft Windows). Nothing is so cheap to deploy and maintain as a Linux server that runs x86-64 procs. Yes, I know you can buy single board computers, but x86 wins in the triangulation of dollars-watts-performance. If you disagree, what do you think is the most important architecture today?
Re:AMD to buy Silo AI for $665M by philistine on Thursday July 11, 2024 @11:32AM (#40937790)
ARM. Every second that passes, for each person that is born that will use a computer, at least two people who will never use a computer is born. Those two people will own a phone though, and that phone will have an ARM chip.

As time goes on, more and more ARM chips will take roles traditionally taken by x86-64. Hell, ARM is already the best-selling architecture. Laws of scale will dictate that investments in x86-64 will fail to keep pace with ARM. Apple Silicon is already showing a small fragment of that effect. The chips are incredibly competitive, and for what Apple has chosen to focus on (perf-per-watt), unbeatable. ARM investments by other companies are catching up to Apple, and x86-64 does not make enough money to reverse that trend.

Re:AMD to buy Silo AI for $665M by talldayo on Saturday July 13, 2024 @09:06PM (#40958120)
There's a small hitch. Unless China is allowed to directly pilfer ARM IP, they're going to pull off a RISC-V (or homegrown ISA) transition at the drop of a hat. And if American phone manufacturers are intent on diversifying, they very well might too; there's little forcing you to use ARM as your RISC ISA on Android or iOS. Competitive ARM cores don't grow on trees, and the licensing fee does't make it very attractive to compete unless you have a de-facto ISA license like Apple or Nvidia. And both of those companies have dabbled in RISC-V too. The intent to usurp ARM's throne has been clear ever since Nvidia was blocked from outright buying it in it's entirety.

Look at it this way; Apple can design their own cores whether they use ARM or RISC-V, and control the software from top to bottom either way. Nvidia's already shipping RISC-V microcontrollers to cut down on manufacturing margins, and without better options the rest of the world might follow. ARM's dominance is only possible if better RISC options don't exist; and for anyone that's not ARM the idea of IP serfdom sounds awful.

Re:AMD to buy Silo AI for $665M by seabird on Wednesday July 10, 2024 @11:01AM (#40927681)
This site is full of people with the west coast VC-driven-tech bizarro world blinders on. If AMD just keeps at what they've been doing well (matching or beating Intel processors) instead of chasing after the latest buzzword grift bubble, they're doomed in the eyes of people with that mindset.
Re:AMD to buy Silo AI for $665M by throwway120385 on Wednesday July 10, 2024 @11:33AM (#40928082)
AMD needs to expand the user base of their GPUs away from gaming and desktop graphics. Buying an AI company that is using their stack for compute is a really good way of learning how to do that. It's essentially now an in-house team to dogfood all of your brand new products and tell your other engineering teams what they're doing wrong.

In my mind it's not about AI per se, but about using the hot use case for GPU to drive meaningful change in your software stack. There are tons and tons and tons of GPGPU users out there who aren't training LLMs but who need a high-quality compute stack.

Re:AMD to buy Silo AI for $665M by mandevil on Wednesday July 10, 2024 @01:44PM (#40929413)
I think AMD's concern is that x86 might not be much of a market in 10 years. Between Apple, Amazon Graviton, and Nvidia Grace Hopper's ARM CPU we are seeing a sustained successful attack on x86 the likes of which we haven't seen... ever? Sustained and successful non-x86 Desktops, servers, and next-gen datacenter platforms, where does that leave AMD? (Intel has a little more diversification because of it's foundry opportunities, but is in the same boat.)
Re:AMD to buy Silo AI for $665M by light_hue_1 on Wednesday July 10, 2024 @02:27PM (#40929849)
> "fix"? What is there to fix? AMD has been simultaneously fighting Intel and Nvidia, two MUCH larger companies, and it's been winning the fight against Intel for close to a decade now.

There's everything to fix. AMD is sitting on a gold mine and is squandering massive amounts of money every month that they don't just get their shitty software stack in order.

AMD could be as rich as NVIDIA. Instead, Lisa Su for some insane reason refuses to build even the most mediocre ML-capable libraries for their GPUs.

If I could ask anyone in the ML world at the moment what the heck they're thinking, it would be her. Nothing makes sense about AMDs actions for years on this topic. If I was the board, I'd be talking about her exit for wasting such an opportunity.

Re:AMD to buy Silo AI for $665M by latchkey on Thursday July 11, 2024 @02:54AM (#40934239)
> Instead, Lisa Su for some insane reason refuses to build even the most mediocre ML-capable libraries for their GPUs.

Spending $665m on a company that builds AI tooling, is a refusal?

Re:AMD to buy Silo AI for $665M by lostmsu on Thursday July 11, 2024 @05:56PM (#40940964)
Considering people mostly bitch about AMD driver bugs and their GPU computing-related SDKs, I don't think buying a high-level AI sweat shop is going to fix their issues. I am not even sure if in the entire Silo AI you could find 5 people who understand AMD GPU assembly code and can effectively debug generated kernels.

They'd get more value offering $500k+ comp to a few people from https://handmadecities.com/

Re:AMD to buy Silo AI for $665M by latchkey on Friday July 12, 2024 @02:55AM (#40943263)
> I don't think buying a high-level AI sweat shop is going to fix their issues... They'd get more value...

It is a wonder why you aren't the CEO.

Re:AMD to buy Silo AI for $665M by lostmsu on Friday July 12, 2024 @10:51AM (#40946138)
That's all right: she is 20 or so years older, I'm still on track to get there.