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Re:Why Italy Fell Out of Love with Cilantro by fuzztester on Sunday July 07, 2024 @09:25AM (#40897541)
AFAIK India didn't have corn either. Like chilies and potatoes and a few other plants, it came from the Americas.
Re:Why Italy Fell Out of Love with Cilantro by steveoscaro on Sunday July 07, 2024 @11:48AM (#40898449)
And the list goes on of the food products that only existed in the Americas - chocolate, coffee, hot peppers.

But of course it goes both ways. I just had traditional breakfast in an isolated Zapotec village in Mexico. But of course the cheese wasn’t part of it until the Spaniards arrived.

Re:Why Italy Fell Out of Love with Cilantro by wincy on Sunday July 07, 2024 @12:44PM (#40898716)
You’re off on coffee, a few months ago I too assumed it came from the Americas because it grows so well here, but was surprised to learn it’s actually an old world thing.

https://www.ncausa.org/About-Coffee/History-of-Coffee

Re:Why Italy Fell Out of Love with Cilantro by asveikau on Sunday July 07, 2024 @01:50PM (#40899182)
The name coming from Arabic is a big hint. And then the species called C. arabica.
Re:Why Italy Fell Out of Love with Cilantro by fuzztester on Sunday July 07, 2024 @04:40PM (#40900307)
Coffee came from Ethiopian highlands, according to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffee
Re:Why Italy Fell Out of Love with Cilantro by umeshunni on Sunday July 07, 2024 @12:39PM (#40898698)
Article on Indian food before modern European contact:

https://contingentmagazine.org/2020/06/25/curry-before-colum...

Re:Why Italy Fell Out of Love with Cilantro by triceratops on Sunday July 07, 2024 @03:48PM (#40899957)
The article focuses quite a bit on asfoetida, but makes no mention of peppercorns which are native to India. When Europeans sailed to India for spices, they weren't going an asfoetida or turmeric run. It was pepper they sought (and I guess cinnamon, nutmeg, and cloves too - though some of those might be from Indonesia idk).

I always assumed pre-Columbian Indian food had fieriness and heat from pepper (bite into a whole peppercorn - it's plenty fiery), so there was a pre-existing cultural affinity for that flavor. This to me explained the rapid assimilation of chilli peppers into virtually every regional Indian cuisine.

Re:Why Italy Fell Out of Love with Cilantro by fuzztester on Sunday July 07, 2024 @04:32PM (#40900242)
also long pepper, which is supposed to be hotter than pepper. called piper longum.

some of the spices you mention were originally from the Malacca area, but were later grown in South India as well.

Re:Why Italy Fell Out of Love with Cilantro by gavindean90 on Monday July 08, 2024 @12:17AM (#40902570)
Cinnamon sugar was a bigger deal than anyone gives a credit for now.
Re:Why Italy Fell Out of Love with Cilantro by Affric on Monday July 08, 2024 @02:57AM (#40903169)
Mace and cloves only grew in the southern moluccas and when the Dutch took over from the Portuguese they genocide the local Melanesian population with the help of some peoples of the western islands.
Re:Why Italy Fell Out of Love with Cilantro by fuzztester on Sunday July 07, 2024 @04:37PM (#40900278)
And interestingly, many of them are from the nightshade family, the https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solanaceae .
Re:Why Italy Fell Out of Love with Cilantro by throwup238 on Sunday July 07, 2024 @11:36PM (#40902407)
Whats interesting is why nightshades diversified and selectively bred into so many staple plants in the new world but the nightshades in the old world did not.

Black nightshade berries native to Europe are easily mistakable for the latter stages of potato plant development, for example.

Re:Why Italy Fell Out of Love with Cilantro by pixelatedindex on Sunday July 07, 2024 @08:12PM (#40901568)
As an Indian I definitely find corn out of place in our cuisine. But the others are pretty essential.
Re:Why Italy Fell Out of Love with Cilantro by teractiveodular on Monday July 08, 2024 @01:26AM (#40902825)
Really? Makki ki roti is a pretty key part of Punjabi cuisine.
Re:Why Italy Fell Out of Love with Cilantro by pixelatedindex on Thursday July 18, 2024 @11:30AM (#40996528)
Huh, didn’t know. Maybe because I’m from South India and the cuisine is pretty different there?
Re:Why Italy Fell Out of Love with Cilantro by dyauspitr on Sunday July 07, 2024 @09:05PM (#40901807)
I can’t think of any Indian dishes that use corn.
Re:Why Italy Fell Out of Love with Cilantro by fuzztester on Monday July 08, 2024 @12:11AM (#40902551)
I can think of two, or at least, one dish and one snack:

dish: makke ki roti (roti made from corn flour) with sarson kaa saag (mustard greens, cooked). this is a very common, even iconic, Punjabi dish. I've only tried it once myself. didn't like the corn roti much. the mustard greens were fine.

snack: whole corn roasted on a fire, i.e. corn on the cob. bhutta in hindi. ubiquitous in india.

Re:Why Italy Fell Out of Love with Cilantro by dyauspitr on Monday July 08, 2024 @12:30AM (#40902619)
Yep bhutta is everywhere but I was referring to corn in dishes. I had no idea makke di roti was corn.