I wonder how this will/would work with trans people. I hope it is done with suitable sensitivity and sensibility.

I'm not sure that society has reached a point where sensitivity and sensibility meet on trans rights topics.

I think it's unlikely that an Indian airline will be the first to solve this problem.

Really? I'm guessing very much not, given the track record of Islamic countries on LGBTQ+ issues

It’s more complicated than that, for exactly Pakistan recognizes a third sex since years. It’s just rather shitty how they do it…

> It’s more complicated than that, for exactly Pakistan recognizes a third sex since years. It’s just rather shitty how they do it…

Hijra (transgender, intersex, or eunuch) are recognized, but live at the margins of society on the Indian subcontinent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_(South_Asia)#Social_stat...

Trans people and trans right are such a US/EU and a few Asian countries issue and some say fad - they literally do not exist anywhere else as a matter of public policy or visibility.

You’re just downright uninformed then. See, e.g. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathoey Perhaps you consider it a fad because increasing visibility in Western culture/resulting culture war pushback has just now brought it to your personal attention. Just because you haven’t personally noticed them doesn’t mean trans people haven’t existed for hundreds of years in different capacities all over the globe.

These are not trans people like you see in the anglosphere.

The same way Alexander the Great or Telemachus or Sappho or any other ancient Mediterranean were not gay in the modern sense.

Western culture's version of trans/gay/lesbian/LGBTQ+ (awful term imo) is an artifact of that culture. And just because we look and act the same as others does not mean we are. It's like lumping the Middle East into one category -- when some inside wouldn't even consider themselves a part of it.

E.g. just because I enjoy sucking dick does not mean I'm part of the [insert country that I have nothing in common with]'s gay community. And frankly I don't want to be lumped in with it.

I think it's really close-minded to stereotype millions of trans people and treat them like a monolith. Culture shapes behavior sure, but trans people globally operate under similar constraints. Whether or not you consider yourself part of the global or <insert country> LGBTQ+ community is pretty irrelevant to bigots. There's no way for you to appease or become "respectable" in their eyes, even if you throw trans people under the bus. You're always gonna be a f*g to them.

Perhaps your version of bigots, but I can handle the ones I interact with much better personally with a different approach than -- paraphrasing -- "fuck all bigots."

I think the absolutionist path is wrong. I don't care about the respect or acknowledgment of the monolith of the "other." I do care about the people in my community and those I interact with on a regular basis. In that vein, I have found it useful to not be so inflexible about things. The majority of people are open to getting along if you get along with them. The rest are either working from a memory of bad experiences or have just simply been surrounded too long in a dogma they've adopted as their own. But these are not intractable problems.

What is an almost intractable problem is having all of my efforts be made moot, when a bunch of hell-raisers with nothing else on their mind besides "me and my problems" decide to make noise and drive even greater decisiveness.

I would like for Western individualism and cultural imperialism and disintegration to leave me and my people the fuck alone. I don't need your help or your ideas or to be saved from my foolishness -- thank you -- I'm doing well with my own devices.

> but trans people globally operate under similar constraints

Wrong. Absolutely not. There is nothing similar between the lives of a trans person in the Middle East or South Asia and those in the West.

> There is nothing similar between the lives of a trans person in the Middle East or South Asia and those in the West.

I don't have first hand knowledge, but actual trans people I've heard from who have lived in both South Asia and the West and are in community with trans people on both sides of that divide do not echo that sentiment, and particularly this upthread idea, "These are not trans people like you see in the anglosphere", has been attributed to a combination of a extremely similar (but with different local names used) process of third-sexing in both South Asian and anglo cultures plus orientalism applied by anglo observers to South Asian cultures and the third-sexing going on within it.

If you don't mean to say that trans people exist as a fad, you might edit this comment for clarity.

So, gender equality is seen as a moral right and is required by law in some countries, while the same is seen as a sin and is forbidden by law in others.

Equality doesn't mean that everything is equal.

If you are 6'5 heigh equality could mean that smaller people sit or stand in front of you.

For woman it doesn't mean they have to go to military but could.

I don't really get the military part tbh. When I went to army back in my country where it was only mandatory for men (but they always love preaching about equality), many of the men were such slobs that random women would have been much better suited for it.

It's one of many examples were people get a wrong assumption if what equally has to mean.

Allowing woman or enabling them to do 'men' things doesn't mean they have to do the exact thing as men. Like carrying the same weight.

I'm not dismissive about woman in military at all but I'm also not in a country like Israel were it is common to have woman.

So, in your words "equality" does not mean "everything is equal" and you mention "military" as an example. Did I get that right? You think that requiring half of the population - purely by gender - to perform forced labor for 12 months... is an example of "equality"? I would say it's a rather blatant example of inequality!