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Re:Pattern of Brain Damage Is Pervasive in Navy SEALs Who Di... by jjallen on Tuesday July 02, 2024 @05:20AM (#40854854)
People that hunt and shoot guns their whole lives do not commit suicide at high levels. This is what I am basing my statements on. Basically half the people I know in the US fall in to this category.
Re:Pattern of Brain Damage Is Pervasive in Navy SEALs Who Di... by i_am_proteus on Tuesday July 02, 2024 @05:26AM (#40854876)
Men in the special forces shoot firearms much, much more than even enthusiastic hunters. Thousands of rifle rounds in a day. All day long.

A hunter (I am one) might shoot a dozen rounds to zero in a rifle, or a hundred shells at a clay range. Actually hunting is never more than a handful of rifle rounds or a few dozen shells.

Re:Pattern of Brain Damage Is Pervasive in Navy SEALs Who Di... by 15155 on Tuesday July 02, 2024 @07:24AM (#40855541)
Shooting suppressed carbines and SMGs generates a completely different level of air pressure than Grandpa's 30-06 or Dad's .308.
Re:Pattern of Brain Damage Is Pervasive in Navy SEALs Who Di... by sgarland on Tuesday July 02, 2024 @07:44AM (#40855666)
Have you shot anything you mentioned? .30-06 and .308 are both quite powerful, and you can feel them in your chest when fired.

An M4 (the only carbine I can think of in use by the military) is already a step down in boom as a 5.56mm; adding a suppressor makes that even less so. It’s like shooting a .22 at that point. As to SMGs, they’re all small caliber – 9mm, .45, 5.7mm…

Re:Pattern of Brain Damage Is Pervasive in Navy SEALs Who Di... by 15155 on Tuesday July 02, 2024 @07:49AM (#40855704)
All of the above, yes.

I'm saying that a SEAL shooting a suppressed SMG feels nothing after dumping magazine after magazine downrange. There's no way this is causing concussions.

Grandpa's 30-06 will rattle your fillings a little bit after one round - still probably doesn't result in TBI.

Re:Pattern of Brain Damage Is Pervasive in Navy SEALs Who Di... by nabla9 on Tuesday July 02, 2024 @08:02AM (#40855794)
That's not all SOF shoot, of course.

SCAR-H, M14 EBR, M249 SAWs and M240 all shoot 7.52mm x 51mm NATO (compatible with .308 but slightly different chamber pressures)

Re:Pattern of Brain Damage Is Pervasive in Navy SEALs Who Di... by 15155 on Tuesday July 02, 2024 @08:06AM (#40855815)
Sure, but we should be able to see if 0331 guys and the like have a higher incidence rate of suicide overall. Presumably they are spending far more time on these platforms than SOF.
Re:Pattern of Brain Damage Is Pervasive in Navy SEALs Who Di... by nabla9 on Tuesday July 02, 2024 @08:12AM (#40855848)
The amount of shooting 0311 Rifleman does is fraction of what SOF does. The problem is accumulation of damage and no healing periods.

As I said, we don't if calibers below .50 cause significant damage when shooting in excessive amounts. Trying to figure it as a layman is useless. It's better to show epistemic humility than try to assert one way or another.

Re:Pattern of Brain Damage Is Pervasive in Navy SEALs Who Di... by 8372049 on Tuesday July 02, 2024 @11:19AM (#40857516)
The FN Minimi (M249) fires 5.56. The others fire 7.62, not 7.52.
Re:Pattern of Brain Damage Is Pervasive in Navy SEALs Who Di... by BobbyJo on Tuesday July 02, 2024 @09:21AM (#40856369)
I shot a .50 a couple times and didn't feel much of anything tbh. Less of a shockwave than fireworks on July 4th.
Re:Pattern of Brain Damage Is Pervasive in Navy SEALs Who Di... by hnbad on Tuesday July 02, 2024 @05:59AM (#40855054)
I know the US can be gun obsessed at times but I struggle to believe that even a professional hunter who frequents the range in his spare time fires as many rounds in a given day as a Navy SEAL who's entire job description revolves around being trained to deliver rapid and precise attacks under extreme pressure, which is only possible with incessant drills and practice.

People that hunt and shoot guns their whole lives don't shoot guns their whole lives. They shoot guns a few times when hunting and then a lot of times at the range but at a leisurely pace. This is like comparing a package delivery guy who likes jogging to an Olympic athlete.

Re:Pattern of Brain Damage Is Pervasive in Navy SEALs Who Di... by 8372049 on Tuesday July 02, 2024 @11:47AM (#40857794)
> Navy SEAL who's entire job description revolves around being trained to deliver rapid and precise attacks under extreme pressure

You'd be surprised how much time SOFs im general spend lying in a bush, peeing on bottles and radioing in updates. Although US SOFs may have been doing it less than others during GWOT. Not everything is DA.

(That doesn't change your general point though, and SOF training is extremely rigorous and demanding and does include a lot of shooting. But not all day every day.)

Re:Pattern of Brain Damage Is Pervasive in Navy SEALs Who Di... by hnbad on Tuesday July 02, 2024 @12:08PM (#40857995)
I mean, yeah, still, they're probably spending more time near explosions and gun shots in aggregate even if most of the missions are spent idling.
Re:Pattern of Brain Damage Is Pervasive in Navy SEALs Who Di... by Mashimo on Tuesday July 02, 2024 @08:29AM (#40855976)
How often do you shoot your guns when you hunt?