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Re:Supreme Court strikes anti-corruption law that bars offic... by OutOfHere on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @02:08PM (#40802725)
People don't realize what a big deal this is. It's a strong form of legalized bribery. It's game over for the USA. In other corrupt countries, no work gets done by government workers until gratuities are paid at every step. It becomes a dog-eat-dog trustless existence where anything goes. Imagine buildings and bridges keep crashing because they were made poorly, nothing is functional, and it gets only worse from there.
Re:Supreme Court strikes anti-corruption law that bars offic... by red-iron-pine on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @03:19PM (#40803512)
Finishing the job that citizens united started. This is how democracy dies.

The Americans better start using those rights they seem to wank off about, cuz if they don't they're about to get sold to the highest bidders

Re:Supreme Court strikes anti-corruption law that bars offic... by dc_ist on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @04:06PM (#40804075)
About to? We're beyond "about to".
Re:Supreme Court strikes anti-corruption law that bars offic... by paulryanrogers on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @04:53PM (#40804477)
Arguably before bribes were more hidden, and when brought to light they were more often procecuted or at last shamed folks out of office. See Abe Fortas
Re:Supreme Court strikes anti-corruption law that bars offic... by ein0p on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @04:07PM (#40804088)
What do you mean “in other countries”? That’s exactly how it is here in the US as well, just slightly more indirectly, in the form of “campaign donations” and “do nothing” six figure “jobs” after the official’s term ends.
Re:Supreme Court strikes anti-corruption law that bars offic... by OutOfHere on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @04:15PM (#40804156)
> in the form of “campaign donations”

Campaign donations are limited to elected officials or to those standing in an election. Now it's anyone in government. Most government works are not elected, and now they could have free reign.

Re:Supreme Court strikes anti-corruption law that bars offic... by ein0p on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @04:19PM (#40804181)
There are all sorts of other forms of indirect (and at times direct) bribery practiced in the US. You wouldn’t get anyone competent to “serve the public” if their official salaries were their entire compensation. So your options are either incompetence or corruption, or, at times, both. The reason you’re not directly exposed to this is you aren’t making any requests of them. Eg for elected officials 100% of the time I write to them I receive a canned response that shows nobody has even read what I wrote. I strongly suspect this would work very differently if I made large campaign contributions
Re:Supreme Court strikes anti-corruption law that bars offic... by lores on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @06:29PM (#40805316)
The administration in many countries (northern Europe, say) is both competent and not corrupt. If the only way to get competence is bribes, you end up with neither competence nor a functioning society.
Re:Supreme Court strikes anti-corruption law that bars offic... by ein0p on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @06:47PM (#40805452)
It’s also rather poor. When was the last time you’ve seen a poor US politician? Frickin’ Bernie Sanders has three times as many houses as I do.
Re:Supreme Court strikes anti-corruption law that bars offic... by rootusrootus on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @07:23PM (#40805678)
> Bernie Sanders has three times as many houses as I do.

He has an estimated net worth of $3M. He is 82 years old and makes $174K a year. Even if he made substantially less than $174K (adjusted downward for inflation) before he became a representative in 1991, he can benefit from compound interest just like the rest of us. Hell, I have been investing for slightly less than 33 years myself and I have a substantially similar net worth, and for a good part my early career I definitely was not making the salary of a congressman. Hell, it hasn't even been all that many years since I started making more than a congressman made in 1992.

It's more surprising that $3M is all he's got. If I keep working until I'm 82, I should be deep into 8 digits of net worth. God I love compound interest. I hope my kids are listening enough of the time when I talk about it.

Re:Supreme Court strikes anti-corruption law that bars offic... by ein0p on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @07:34PM (#40805752)
You’ll be deep into 12 digits if inflation continues. And that’s if we somehow manage to avoid stagnation
Re:Supreme Court strikes anti-corruption law that bars offic... by Turing_Machine on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @07:43PM (#40805797)
> He has an estimated net worth of $3M.

Now do his stepchildren, and exactly how much of their net worth came from Bernie's "campaign contributions".

The way the game is often played is to hire other family members as "consultants" at extremely high salaries (Bernie didn't invent this, by any means -- take a look at how many congresscritters have relatives on the campaign payroll) . In theory, you can't spend campaign money on yourself, but paying it to "consultants" is allowed. And if those "consultants" happen to be relatives, and they happen to use some of their "salaries" to buy luxuries for Dear Old Dad, that's perfectly fine.

Another good one is to set your relative, or even yourself, up in some ancillary business (e.g. advertising or printing). The late Oral Roberts (a TV preacher) was the innovator there. He was always crying about how he sent free Bibles and other religious stuff all over the world, and how many millions it cost. This was absolutely true.

What he never mentioned is that his non-profit ministry hired his very-much-for-profit printing company to print all this stuff.

As far as the government goes, there are pretty strict rules against paying actual government money out to relatives (though it does happen). The rules against paying out campaign contributions are a lot more lenient.

Re:Supreme Court strikes anti-corruption law that bars offic... by lores on Thursday June 27, 2024 @12:18PM (#40812175)
Northern Europe is not poor, it has one of the highest standards of living in the world, and individual countries regularly top happiness rankings to boot.
Re:Supreme Court strikes anti-corruption law that bars offic... by anon291 on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @04:46PM (#40804418)
Categorically no. The statute at play here is for elected officials. Gratuities are illegal for workers.

Moreover it's a moot point because every state has a law that bans these payments. The feds do not.

Re:Supreme Court strikes anti-corruption law that bars offic... by OutOfHere on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @05:32PM (#40804831)
There is no constraint applying it to elected officials only. The text says:

> Section 666 proscribes bribes to state and local officials but does not make it a crime for those officials to accept gratuities for their past acts.

As such, I see it applying to all government officials, whether elected or not.

Re:Supreme Court strikes anti-corruption law that bars offic... by dudus on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @04:45PM (#40804410)
Corruption is a cancer. Once it takes hold it's hard to get rid. Countries in South America (Brazil, Argentina, Venezuela) and asian countries are known for high corruption.
Re:Supreme Court strikes anti-corruption law that bars offic... by llamaimperative on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @04:48PM (#40804440)
No it’s not. Go to South America for a lesson in corruption.
Re:Supreme Court strikes anti-corruption law that bars offic... by paulryanrogers on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @04:54PM (#40804487)
Attempts were made to close the campaign funding loophole in the US. Sadly the supreme Court says money is speech and cannot be restricted.
Re:Supreme Court strikes anti-corruption law that bars offic... by throw__away7391 on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @04:39PM (#40804360)
I am convinced that having low corruption is more important to a country than say democracy. I have travelled to many countries and noticed the same pattern repeated over and over again.

Every country has at least some district in the capital city with fancy restaurants and rooftop bars and luxury shopping. If you go to such a place in a rich country and ask people what they do you'll get many answers, you'll find people who do technical work in specialized industries, managers, business owners, etc. In poor countries it is always the same answer, everyone you will meet in these places works for the government.

Re:Supreme Court strikes anti-corruption law that bars offic... by em-bee on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @05:04PM (#40804571)
you are not wrong simply because corruption interferes with democracy. iaw: you can't have democracy if you have corruption, so removing corruption is a prerequisite to enabling democracy.
Re:Supreme Court strikes anti-corruption law that bars offic... by throw__away7391 on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @05:16PM (#40804678)
I mean I've visited democratic countries with a _lot_ of corruption and autocratic countries which appeared to have less. I guess you can get semantic with it, but my main point is that you always here about "democracy" and a number of other positive things from people advocating for human rights, but corruption doesn't get the same level of attention. I think it should. Corruption is a huge problem.

One thing that I think escapes many is that in corrupt countries, it isn't like the clerk who issues permits decides one day to be corrupt and gets rich. People already know these jobs offer opportunities to make a lot of money and compete fiercely for them. This is a high status job. The people who get them are usually capable and motivated and would serve their economy much better in some other role. It acts like a sort of internal brain drain.