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Re:Chang'e 6 lunar sample return mission returns with sample... by consumer451 on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @12:49PM (#40790724)
I often wondered, how do you deal with all the waste heat from a fission power reactor, in a vacuum?

Giant radiators?

edit: fixed typo, derp. fusion=fission

Re:Chang'e 6 lunar sample return mission returns with sample... by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @01:32PM (#40791178)
> Giant radiators?

Yup, that's the thing on top [1].

[1] https://www.nasa.gov/tdm/fission-surface-power/

Re:Chang'e 6 lunar sample return mission returns with sample... by consumer451 on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @01:41PM (#40791287)
Thanks, I have seen a lot of pages on nasa.gov, but not that one. Neato!
Re:Chang'e 6 lunar sample return mission returns with sample... by dotnet00 on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @01:56PM (#40791482)
On the Moon you could also use the Moon itself as a heat sink. But yeah, any near-term solutions would use giant radiators.
Re:Chang'e 6 lunar sample return mission returns with sample... by gus_massa on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @02:06PM (#40791586)
Solids don't conduct too much heat. I think most of the cooling in a nuclear plant is generated by evaporation of water.
Re:Chang'e 6 lunar sample return mission returns with sample... by dotnet00 on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @02:15PM (#40791692)
Yes, what I mean is that theoretically you could do something like have a very very wide base to passively dump heat into the ground (since we're still only looking at kW scale reactors in space), or actively cycle large amounts of regolith through the cooling loop (say, via a heat exchanger from a closed water loop) and dump it out. Depending on how much heat the system can handle, you could maybe even extract stuff boiling off from the regolith.
Re:Chang'e 6 lunar sample return mission returns with sample... by mcculley on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @02:51PM (#40792074)
The nuclear plant nearest to me uses sea water, which is put back into the ocean.
Re:Chang'e 6 lunar sample return mission returns with sample... by gus_massa on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @08:26AM (#40799187)
Interesting. I had to look for more details. I found this link https://nuclear.duke-energy.com/2013/11/13/why-don-t-all-nuc...

Oversimplifiying: All new plnats have cooling towers, so the water they return to the environment is not too hot.

Re:Chang'e 6 lunar sample return mission returns with sample... by rplnt on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @01:08PM (#40790963)
It would likely be a thermal reactor, I guess? So no waste heat, since the little heat it gives is used to generate electricity.
Re:Chang'e 6 lunar sample return mission returns with sample... by eternauta3k on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @01:37PM (#40791229)
Thermal power plants don't use up the heat. They make energy through its transfer (like a dam with water).
Re:Chang'e 6 lunar sample return mission returns with sample... by ianburrell on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @05:27PM (#40793828)
Most nuclear reactors are thermal power plants and they all need to dump waste heat. Thermal power plants convert heat into electricity with turbines and are limited by dumping the waste heat.

Are you thinking of radioisotope generators? Those aren't reactors. They use thermocouples and need to get rid of the waste heat. The Voyager RTGs have radiator fins.

Re:Chang'e 6 lunar sample return mission returns with sample... by rplnt on Friday June 28, 2024 @02:14AM (#40818191)
Yeah, that's what I meant, sorry about the incorrect naming.
Re:Chang'e 6 lunar sample return mission returns with sample... by creer on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @01:07PM (#40790954)
Perhaps? Any reason that sounds silly to you?
Re:Chang'e 6 lunar sample return mission returns with sample... by consumer451 on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @01:10PM (#40790988)
No, and this is not some attack on nuclear power. I am just curious. On earth, nuclear power plants use lots of water and cooling towers. How does that work in a place with no spare water?

I also meant to write fission in my original question, not fusion.

Re:Chang'e 6 lunar sample return mission returns with sample... by creer on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @01:47PM (#40791357)
Mostly cooling towers are not likely to work in a place with no atmosphere.

Radiators though, are constantly used in spacecraft, and seem to work well. Low gravity, no motion might let the thing be mostly the radiator, with not much support structure. Except it might need to be in shade, in the shadow of a building? hill? solar panels?

Re:Chang'e 6 lunar sample return mission returns with sample... by squarefoot on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @05:33PM (#40793917)
> How does that work in a place with no spare water?

I wonder if recycling human liquid waste through evaporation could be of some use for that purpose.

Re:Chang'e 6 lunar sample return mission returns with sample... by bongodongobob on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @01:33PM (#40791184)
Heat is what you use to make steam and drive the turbines with. I don't understand your question.
Re:Chang'e 6 lunar sample return mission returns with sample... by SaulGoogman on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @11:24PM (#40796104)
maybe not so hot indeed due to the scarce air that's why it's so cold at night on the moon. Only turn on the reactor at night to generation and use capacitors at day?
Re:Chang'e 6 lunar sample return mission returns with sample... by meepmorp on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @04:22AM (#40797593)
You can't really turn fission reactors on and off, they're always producing decay heat even if not being used for power generation. But why not radiate the excess heat into the crust of the moon with a subsurface loop, kind of like a ground source heat pump.
Re:Chang'e 6 lunar sample return mission returns with sample... by hoseja on Wednesday June 26, 2024 @06:41AM (#40798461)
The day is 28 times longer than on Earth. You'd need very big capacitors.