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Re:Singapore doubles down on lab-grown meat as Silicon Valle... by contingencies on Sunday June 23, 2024 @03:25PM (#40769918)
Singapore is a follower. Whatever they're in to happened elsewhere 2 years before.

More broadly, it's not really about cell-cultured meat. It's about producing any kind of protein whatsoever which can be ingratiated in to the food supply chain anywhere. The huge success in culturally normalizing the consumption of 'beef balls' and similar '<highly processed, derivative, nominal protein identity> balls' in markets like Thailand to my critical eye largely stem from the beef ball factories of Shantou in Guangdong. Make no mistake: those people are making bank selling total bunk for real bucks.

Poverty will be the driver.

Economically, it's hard to pass up plants. They've literally evolved over millions of years to produce the goods using almost nothing in resource terms. Somehow the world just needs to learn to love Indian food and stop expecting protein and lipid dense meals.

Re:Singapore doubles down on lab-grown meat as Silicon Valle... by jsemrau on Sunday June 23, 2024 @03:35PM (#40769982)
Singapore also has great universities. Research into this area fits Singapore well.
Re:Singapore doubles down on lab-grown meat as Silicon Valle... by pydry on Sunday June 23, 2024 @05:17PM (#40770641)
The entire culture of the country is much more oriented to being a fast follower though. They do not innovate.
Re:Singapore doubles down on lab-grown meat as Silicon Valle... by acheong08 on Sunday June 23, 2024 @05:30PM (#40770729)
By your standards, most of the world outside the US does not innovate, which makes sense since if they did, the tech would be bought up by a US company anyways
Re:Singapore doubles down on lab-grown meat as Silicon Valle... by pydry on Monday June 24, 2024 @05:24AM (#40773962)
No, not really. There are some unique facets to Singaporean culture that heavily discourage innovation. This isn't the case for most of the rest of the world.
Re:Singapore doubles down on lab-grown meat as Silicon Valle... by gmerc on Monday June 24, 2024 @02:05AM (#40772981)
Which is why water desalination tech is one of their major exports. They mastered the technology out of survival need (Malaysia constantly threatening to cut off water supply) and are exporting it now.
Re:Singapore doubles down on lab-grown meat as Silicon Valle... by nradov on Sunday June 23, 2024 @03:35PM (#40769986)
You're not wrong about the economics. Access to large amounts of high-quality protein (regardless of whether it's plant or animal derived) is increasingly going to divide the rich and poor. We can easily grow enough crops to provide everyone with enough calories (distribution problems aside), but people can't maximize performance and healthspan eating mostly grains and starches.

https://peterattiamd.com/lucvanloon/

Re:Singapore doubles down on lab-grown meat as Silicon Valle... by contingencies on Sunday June 23, 2024 @03:43PM (#40770050)
Sure but most people aren't in to resistance training. They're in to high fructose corn syrup, processed foods, and sedentary lifestyles. I wondered which product generates higher returns: protein powders or statins? Actually according to Google the former is USD$28B and the latter is only USD$20B at the moment. I'd expect the latter to grow and the former to shrink.
Re:Singapore doubles down on lab-grown meat as Silicon Valle... by AlexandrB on Sunday June 23, 2024 @04:40PM (#40770436)
Not just statins but diet drugs like wegovy. I suspect that people's addiction to corn syrup will be solved medically, not with willpower or lifestyle changes.

Side note: "in to" should be one word - "into".

Re:Singapore doubles down on lab-grown meat as Silicon Valle... by jfengel on Sunday June 23, 2024 @05:13PM (#40770618)
I fear that people will eat less corn syrup but only because they're eating less overall. I'd love to see people put the money they save into higher quality food, but history suggests otherwise.

The corn syrup based foods are cheap, tasty, and really easy to eat. It's too bad they have no nutrients besides calories.

Re:Singapore doubles down on lab-grown meat as Silicon Valle... by sundvor on Sunday June 23, 2024 @07:13PM (#40771426)
Fear? Corn syrup will easily lead to early death through obesity. Any reduction would clearly be a positive.
Re:Singapore doubles down on lab-grown meat as Silicon Valle... by bboygravity on Sunday June 23, 2024 @05:01PM (#40770559)
The corn syrup thing is a US-only thing, isn't it?

The rest of the world seems to use sugar from beets/sugar cane/coconuts?

Correct me if I'm wrong, I base the above statements on a rant by an American coworker about how the corn lobby managed to somehow force American food producers to exclusively use relatively high calory corn syrup as a sweetener as opposed to much lower calory sweeteners.

Re:Singapore doubles down on lab-grown meat as Silicon Valle... by ToucanLoucan on Sunday June 23, 2024 @05:08PM (#40770593)
The short version is it's because of steep subsidies on corn as a crop. We have tons of the shit, and artificially cheap at that. It goes into foods as itself, foods as corn syrup, corn flour, and a substantial amount is converted to ethanol for fuel.
Re:Singapore doubles down on lab-grown meat as Silicon Valle... by Dalewyn on Sunday June 23, 2024 @05:26PM (#40770699)
>The corn syrup thing is a US-only thing, isn't it?

No, corn syrup is used in food and drinks all over the world.

Personally, I have nothing against corn syrup so long as the sweetness actually tastes nice and appropriate for what I'm consuming.

Corn syrup is also a lot better than artificial sweeteners which all taste like hot garbage and make me literally ill.

Re:Singapore doubles down on lab-grown meat as Silicon Valle... by peterashford on Sunday June 23, 2024 @07:31PM (#40771510)
The United States accounts for approximately 55 percent of the global consumption of high-fructose corn syrup.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/495946/consumption-share...

Re:Singapore doubles down on lab-grown meat as Silicon Valle... by Dalewyn on Sunday June 23, 2024 @09:27PM (#40772033)
So what about the remaining 45%?
Re:Singapore doubles down on lab-grown meat as Silicon Valle... by sangnoir on Monday June 24, 2024 @12:31AM (#40772676)
What's the consumption rate for RoW - per capita - compared to the US?
Re:Singapore doubles down on lab-grown meat as Silicon Valle... by Dalewyn on Monday June 24, 2024 @12:49AM (#40772721)
Does it matter? So long as that (or any non-US) number is larger than zero the argument that "corn syrup is US-only" is patently false.
Re:Singapore doubles down on lab-grown meat as Silicon Valle... by bboygravity on Tuesday June 25, 2024 @03:23AM (#40785486)
What I meant was "putting corn syrup in most food as the preferred sweetener" is a US-only thing, not "only the US uses corn syrup".
Re:Singapore doubles down on lab-grown meat as Silicon Valle... by gmerc on Monday June 24, 2024 @02:06AM (#40772982)
Mexico. Ok, just joking, they like real coke without HFCS
Re:Singapore doubles down on lab-grown meat as Silicon Valle... by nradov on Sunday June 23, 2024 @05:21PM (#40770663)
Corn syrup is kind of a bogeyman in some circles because it contains a slightly higher fraction of fructose than sugar produced from beets or sugar cane. There might be a little something to that as fructose is metabolized through a different pathway than glucose and there is some correlation at the country level between consumption and diabetes rates. But with sugar it's really more the quantity that matters rather than the composition.

https://doi.org/10.1080/17441692.2012.736257

Re:Singapore doubles down on lab-grown meat as Silicon Valle... by fbdab103 on Sunday June 23, 2024 @05:48PM (#40770870)
Were you attempting to post a different link? That study points a pretty strong negative correlation with corn syrup.

  ...Diabetes prevalence was 20% higher in countries with higher availability of HFCS compared to countries with low availability, and these differences were retained or strengthened after adjusting for country-level estimates of body mass index (BMI), population and gross domestic product (adjusted diabetes prevalence=8.0 vs. 6.7%, p=0.03; fasting plasma glucose=5.34 vs. 5.22 mmol/L, p=0.03) despite similarities in obesity and total sugar and calorie availability. These results suggest that countries with higher availability of HFCS have a higher prevalence of type 2 diabetes independent of obesity.
Re:Singapore doubles down on lab-grown meat as Silicon Valle... by sundvor on Sunday June 23, 2024 @07:21PM (#40771457)
Being someone who moved to Australia, I'm so glad HFCS (High Fructose Corn Syrup) is almost nowhere to be found here.
Re:Singapore doubles down on lab-grown meat as Silicon Valle... by Avshalom on Sunday June 23, 2024 @05:43PM (#40770828)
It actually contains less fructose than cane sugar, it just has more fructose than normal corn
Re:Singapore doubles down on lab-grown meat as Silicon Valle... by bsder on Sunday June 23, 2024 @05:52PM (#40770899)
> They're in to high fructose corn syrup, processed foods, and sedentary lifestyles.

The problem is that US government subsidies for corn and soy have created an entire class of products that are cheaper than any alternatives.

If we removed those subsidies, there would be far less incentive for companies to use them.

Re:Singapore doubles down on lab-grown meat as Silicon Valle... by olejorgenb on Sunday June 23, 2024 @04:53PM (#40770506)
> It's about producing any kind of protein whatsoever which can be ingratiated in to the food supply chain anywhere

We have at least some options for this already. Mycoprotein is one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycoprotein | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quorn#Production (apart from the plant isolates)

Re:Singapore doubles down on lab-grown meat as Silicon Valle... by Scarblac on Sunday June 23, 2024 @05:26PM (#40770706)
> Singapore is a follower. Whatever they're in to happened elsewhere 2 years before.

> [...]

> It's about producing any kind of protein whatsoever

Personally I follow fermentation based (bacteria based) proteins with interest, potentially they can have an even smaller footprint than plant based protein.

Like Solein ( https://solarfoods.com/solein/ ), which has now been accepted as safe for human consumption in one country: Singapore.

So they're not always behind the curve.

Re:Singapore doubles down on lab-grown meat as Silicon Valle... by contingencies on Sunday June 23, 2024 @05:38PM (#40770787)
potentially they can have an even smaller footprint than plant based protein.

Maybe one day - the potential of fungi is amazing. It's a whole world that is fundamental to ecology and comparatively poorly understood or mapped. However, I remain skeptical at present once you factor in one or both of the lab costs (steel vats, process control, power consumption, thermal systems, and lab employees) and the raw inputs (fermentation doesn't happen on thin air).

By the time you've grown the raw input, why not just grow a food crop?

I feel virtue-signalling regulatory moves are meaningless. Case in point: many markets are totally unregulated, by your logic they're ahead of the curve. I don't disagree.

Re:Singapore doubles down on lab-grown meat as Silicon Valle... by padjo on Sunday June 23, 2024 @05:52PM (#40770901)
It does seem like hubris to think we’re anywhere near being able to design a protein synthesis process that’s more efficient than a soy plant.
Re:Singapore doubles down on lab-grown meat as Silicon Valle... by bitmasher9 on Sunday June 23, 2024 @06:17PM (#40771075)
I don’t think so. A soy plant has tons of evolutionary baggage tied to its protein synthesis. It has to reproduce, out compete other life for resources, be hardy enough to survive both pests and pesticides, and it evolved in a resource constrained environment.

For life generating protein is a byproduct of other goals. It seems possible that we can do better.

Re:Singapore doubles down on lab-grown meat as Silicon Valle... by Scarblac on Monday June 24, 2024 @10:16AM (#40776335)
It's a bacterium in this case, not a fungus. It can metabolize hydrogen and use CO2 to build the proteins. They electrolyze water using solar power to create the hydrogen, so it sort of does happen on thin air, but of course some minerals need to be added as well. The product is basically a powder consisting of dried bacteria.