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Re:Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publis... by atomicnumber3 on Friday June 21, 2024 @08:44PM (#40755274)
"Such a system exists. You can publish a book and give it away freely. But few do. This is book communism and fails for the same reasons as regular communism. It is in nobody’s interest to do any hard work. If you don’t reward great effort, virtually nobody provides it."

Why does open source / free software exist then?

"Nobody puts in hard word if it's not rewarded" hasnt the cURL guy been maintaining cURL/libcurl for decades and gets paid nothing?

Re:Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publis... by MattGaiser on Friday June 21, 2024 @08:50PM (#40755296)
Open source covers a very tiny set of use cases for software. How many paid products have an open source competitor at all? How many have a credible competitor (GIMP isn’t a credible alternative to PhotoShop for the people who pay for it for example).

It is far from rendering paid software obsolete.

And not nobody. Virtually nobody. Yes open source exists. Out of the hundreds of devs I have worked with, I know one who meaningfully participates. Say 1 in 100 devs does open source. The other 99 not writing code would lead to a massive fall off in software written.

Re:Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publis... by timschmidt on Friday June 21, 2024 @09:14PM (#40755383)
> GIMP isn’t a credible alternative to PhotoShop for the people who pay for it for example

Weird take. GIMP's been good enough for professional work for more than a decade, and lots of professionals use it. I paid for Paint Shop Pro ages ago, because it was better than Photoshop for my use cases. GIMP progressed and became better than PSP for the same. I've used it ever since. It's even been used for major motion pictures.

In the same way that software is eating the world, Free and Open Source software is eating software. Every year it does more and better. If GIMP doesn't work for your use case today, it likely will tomorrow, or the day after.

Some open source tools, like Blender, like Linux, exist at the top of their respective foodchains. Proprietary tools are working to try to compete with them.

Re:Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publis... by ethagnawl on Friday June 21, 2024 @10:08PM (#40755597)
> Some open source tools, like Blender, like Linux, exist at the top of their respective foodchains. Proprietary tools are working to try to compete with them.

OBS is on this list, too.

Re:Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publis... by accrual on Friday June 21, 2024 @09:26PM (#40755432)
> How many paid products have an open source competitor at all? How many have a credible competitor (GIMP isn’t a credible alternative to PhotoShop for the people who pay for it for example).

I'm not sure how we could figure out the numbers, but this just doesn't feel right. A lot of important and key paid products have open source alternatives. Some examples:

* Windows/macOS -> Linux

* Microsoft Office -> LibreOffice

* Adobe Illustrator -> Inkscape

* AutoCAD -> FreeCAD

* SecureCRT -> PuTTY, Urxvt, etc.

* Maya -> Blender

* ESXi -> Proxmox

* VMWare Player -> VirtualBox

Whether they're "credible" depends on the user and their use case. I'm sure there are plenty of things the paid products do better than their open source counterparts, but at the same time, there are likely plenty of users who don't need those features and are perfectly fine with the free alternative.

I don't doubt there are more closed source projects than open source, or that there is closed software with zero open source alternatives - just that the claim that open source is a tiny set of all software use cases doesn't seem right.

>> It is in nobody’s interest to do any hard work. If you don’t reward great effort, virtually nobody provides it.

> And not nobody. Virtually nobody. Yes open source exists.

In 2018, GitHub reported on their blog [0]:

> Today we reached a major milestone: 100 million repositories now live on GitHub. Powering this number is an incredible community. Together, you’re 31 million developers from nearly every country and territory in the world, collaborating across 1.1 billion contributions.

I think it's safe to say there's more than virtually nobody doing hard work in the open source world and creating gratis software.

[0] https://github.blog/2018-11-08-100m-repos/

Re:Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publis... by throw10920 on Saturday June 22, 2024 @12:45AM (#40756332)
> "Nobody puts in hard word if it's not rewarded" hasnt the cURL guy been maintaining cURL/libcurl for decades and gets paid nothing?

If you replace "nobody" with "very few people" then the statement is mostly true. The vast majority of open source software is crap. Sure, a lot of it is passion projects made by enthusiasts, and there's nothing wrong with that from an artistic hobbyist standpoint, but the quality of the software is very low.

Good and successful open source software is, in terms of numbers, rare.

Furthermore, most good FLOSS has at least some companies providing financial support, if not being almost exclusively worked on by employees of a company selling non-FLOSS software to pay the salaries of those devs.

Developers putting in hard work to write quality software for free do exist, of course, and many of them are absolute gigachads, but they're dwarfed by those actually getting paid to write software.

Re:Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publis... by kjkjadksj on Saturday June 22, 2024 @01:44AM (#40756603)
A lot of paid software is crap too.
Re:Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publis... by johnnyanmac on Saturday June 22, 2024 @03:22AM (#40757123)
Indeed. But you only need one magic product to capture a market. No one's neither jumping to nor contributing to GIMP in light of all the Adobe BS, even if they should be for the betterment of all.
Re:Internet Archive forced to remove 500k books after publis... by throw10920 on Saturday June 22, 2024 @01:49AM (#40756627)
I didn't state otherwise, and I'm not sure how that's relevant to my point.