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Re:Gilead Shot Prevents All HIV Cases in Trial of African Women by greentxt on Thursday June 20, 2024 @07:03PM (#40744427)
I believe that's referred to as Gell-Mann Amnesia. Common for most educated consumers of tv and print journalism. Indeed, even Fauci has made mistakes he has later had to correct/retract, like his early herd immunity claim.
Re:Gilead Shot Prevents All HIV Cases in Trial of African Women by Pxtl on Thursday June 20, 2024 @08:33PM (#40744984)
I always think Gell-Mann Amnesia is funny because the namer of it was a medical doctor who wrote a book about about how climate change is fake.
Re:Gilead Shot Prevents All HIV Cases in Trial of African Women by esalman on Thursday June 20, 2024 @09:15PM (#40745212)
> even Fauci has made mistakes he has later had to correct/retract, like his early herd immunity claim.

You get new evidence and you update your beliefs. This is literally how science works and progress is made. If you had to put every student of science on the spot for everything wrong they said/did, there wouldn't be as much progress.

Re:Gilead Shot Prevents All HIV Cases in Trial of African Women by jjmarr on Thursday June 20, 2024 @11:52PM (#40745983)
And if you're a scientist (or anyone) in a leadership position communicating with the public, it's necessary to understand that you always speak with authority regardless of whether want it or actively disclaim it. If you tell people "this is what the science says", and you have a ton of authority, people will be more confident in your beliefs than you might want them to be.

The plus side of that in a pandemic scenario is that when you say something is necessary, people do it. The downside is you ruin the credibility of everyone you're leading if you're wrong.

Fauci isn't the average scientist. The cost-benefits to him speaking on an issue are different than a researcher coming up with a new theory on how COVID spreads.

Re:Gilead Shot Prevents All HIV Cases in Trial of African Women by greentxt on Friday June 21, 2024 @12:21AM (#40746114)
Why downvote, that's exactly what I said. I'm glad you agree that even experts make mistakes. It would be truly strange to argue that point, though many have and do. With respect to Gell-Mann amnesia, to be more exlicit since it seems that's needed, it's really just a side effect of our heuristics. Most of the time you can turn your brain off and follow the crowd, widespread consensus is a safe bet, but you have to leave room for occasionsl mistakes, as you acknowledge. Taking mental shortcuts, being lazy conformists is in no way exceptional. Humans are mostly stupid creatures, even experts.
Re:Gilead Shot Prevents All HIV Cases in Trial of African Women by esalman on Friday June 21, 2024 @01:39AM (#40746508)
Um I don't really agree. Making mistakes is not the same as changing opinion based on new evidence.

Fauci changed opinions, a lot of experts do. It's only the lay people with no idea how science works who will call it a "mistake".

Actually it's worse than that, people have openly harassed and threatened Fauci and his family for doing what he did. That's unfair and borderline evil.

Re:Gilead Shot Prevents All HIV Cases in Trial of African Women by vasco on Friday June 21, 2024 @03:35AM (#40747081)
He also made mistakes, like telling us masks didn't work to save stock, and then changing guidance when there was enough stock. It's ok, as we're saying here anyone is entitled some mistakes along the way, but nobody is perfect, and overall we got through the worst of it, so it wasn't that bad.
Re:Gilead Shot Prevents All HIV Cases in Trial of African Women by greentxt on Friday June 21, 2024 @07:52AM (#40748607)
Well if you think he didn't make mistakes, or think that any human is error free, then you have an oppinion that is not based on science. Some sort of zealotry or hero worship or something along those lines. Fauci made mistakes. Science makes mistakes. To err is human. You might want to reevaluaute your beliefs and maybe read some of the copious amount of scientific and philosophic literature on the topic. Everyone makes mistakes.
Re:Gilead Shot Prevents All HIV Cases in Trial of African Women by account42 on Friday June 21, 2024 @05:17AM (#40747730)
> You get new evidence and you update your beliefs.

That's all well and good but then don't shout down people who question your beliefs made on incomplete data as being against the science. Herd immunity was not just a scientific theory but presented as a fact and used to deprive people of their bodily autonomy at the threat of significant loss of other freedoms. And now that The Science(tm) has been updated intellectually bankrupt people like you just go "oops, no one could have known" when you know for a fact that there were people warning you.