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Re:Flesh-Eating Bacteria That Can Kill in Two Days Spreads i... by throwup238 on Sunday June 16, 2024 @09:39AM (#40696982)
Keep reading past the first line of the article:

> Other countries have experienced recent outbreaks. In late 2022 at least five European nations reported to the World Health Organization an increase in cases of invasive group A streptococcus (iGAS) disease, which includes STSS. The WHO said the rise in cases followed the end of Covid restrictions.

Re:Flesh-Eating Bacteria That Can Kill in Two Days Spreads i... by fallingknife on Sunday June 16, 2024 @09:50AM (#40697063)
Notice they said "followed" not "caused." But maybe it did cause it. Reducing human contact will slow transmission of all diseases. It's sort of weird to bring it up in an article like this because if this is the explanation it's really not "an increase in outbreaks" it's just getting back to the normal rate.
Re:Flesh-Eating Bacteria That Can Kill in Two Days Spreads i... by dingnuts on Sunday June 16, 2024 @10:45AM (#40697475)
> Reducing human contact will slow transmission of all diseases

I find it difficult to disabuse myself of the notion that there are people who see this simple statement as justification to return to enforcing certain pandemic era countermeasures permanently as part of a "new normal"

Re:Flesh-Eating Bacteria That Can Kill in Two Days Spreads i... by georgeplusplus on Sunday June 16, 2024 @09:45AM (#40697027)
Their point still stands.

What is the point of bringing up a unique point in time where confining everyone in their houses reduced interaction with this particular bacteria? The article paints those measures as if they were a good thing and now things have regressed.

Re:Flesh-Eating Bacteria That Can Kill in Two Days Spreads i... by simmerup on Sunday June 16, 2024 @09:52AM (#40697081)
The article does nothing of the sort. It just states what the WHO said. Whether you choose to infer that the author thought covid restrictions were good/bad is your own projection
Re:Flesh-Eating Bacteria That Can Kill in Two Days Spreads i... by _Microft on Sunday June 16, 2024 @10:12AM (#40697225)
Kikuchi urged people to maintain hand hygiene and to treat any open wounds.

People washed and disinfected their hands a lot more often and thoroughly during the pandemic. At least here in Germany. They stopped shaking hands, washed them thoroughly (at least twenty seconds, using soap) and disinfected them when entering or leaving stores. Now they shake hands again and the disinfectant is gone. Who knows how everyone is washing their hands today. It’s not far fetched to suspect that this behavior might have helped.

Re:Flesh-Eating Bacteria That Can Kill in Two Days Spreads i... by ziml77 on Sunday June 16, 2024 @09:54AM (#40697099)
Or it could be to indicate that a rise is expected since people are being less careful about spreading disease? Or it could be to say that the restrictions caused immune systems to not be exercised enough so now they are weaker?
Re:Flesh-Eating Bacteria That Can Kill in Two Days Spreads i... by orf on Sunday June 16, 2024 @09:50AM (#40697068)
I don’t read it that way at all. That seems like an overly sensitive interpretation.

It’s possible people wash their hands less since COVID restrictions were lifted, or some other knock-on effect.

> … as if they were a good thing and now things have regressed.

Less “flesh-eating bacteria” in the world is probably always a good thing, independent of anything else.

Re:Flesh-Eating Bacteria That Can Kill in Two Days Spreads i... by eidjcnkak on Sunday June 16, 2024 @09:52AM (#40697085)
Not sure if you’re aware but there’s been strong arguments made that Covid impairs the immune system. One hypothesis was that it could tip things that wouldn’t spread over the line from defeated by most humans to defeated by less humans than necessary to avoid spread. Something like R>1 from 0.9
Re:Flesh-Eating Bacteria That Can Kill in Two Days Spreads i... by tessierashpool on Sunday June 16, 2024 @09:58AM (#40697122)
their “point” does not stand. they don’t even have a point. they cherry-picked an ideological hot button to be mad about for no legitimate reason.

it is absurd to suggest those measures were not a good thing, and factually inaccurate to say that the article expresses or implies any opinion about them whatsoever. it doesn’t.

it’s an article about a rise in cases. it mentions when the cases started rising.

Re:Flesh-Eating Bacteria That Can Kill in Two Days Spreads i... by vsnf on Sunday June 16, 2024 @10:09AM (#40697207)
please don’t mistake me for some kind of anti-vaccine anti-mask zealot. Having diligently participated in all the responsible social and personal anti-covid measures, my take on the article remains that it was a bizarre choice for the author to so directly entangle the two things together. CDC comments not withstanding, the flesh eating bacteria is enough of an eye catching story on its own, it doesn’t need to be attached to another horrible disease to be an interesting article.
Re:Flesh-Eating Bacteria That Can Kill in Two Days Spreads i... by pohl on Sunday June 16, 2024 @10:33AM (#40697374)
There’s nothing bizarre at all about mentioning the recent prominent contagious disease crisis in an article about another rising contagion. It would be kind of weird not to.
Re:Flesh-Eating Bacteria That Can Kill in Two Days Spreads i... by vsnf on Sunday June 16, 2024 @10:54AM (#40697543)
I think I’m being misinterpreted, which is on me for being unclear.

To address a sibling commenter first: no, I don’t think any mention of covid is a political statement, that’d be absurd. We all experienced the mayhem, fear, and uncertainty together, and most of us, though sadly not all of us, made it out alive. It itself is not political.

But it is often made to be. I find the articles opening sentence is phrased in a way as to be invoking a boogeyman, not least to which is because covid restrictions in japan were relaxed two years ago. The phrasing implies a strongly direct correlation, rather than a more nebulous one where all diseases would increase by the same reduction in measures. The overt entanglement in the opening sentence feels like baiting a response by disingenuous or superfluous association. The article would have stood stronger on its own legs, I feel.

Re:Flesh-Eating Bacteria That Can Kill in Two Days Spreads i... by criley2 on Sunday June 16, 2024 @09:57AM (#40697114)
>The article paints those measures as if they were a good thing and now things have regressed.

I got a totally different vibe: Japan is notoriously xenophobic and maintained extremely strict regulations on visitors that were far more stringent than western countries.

So the framing here sounds like a Japanese perspective: "we didn't want you to come, and we started to let you back in, and look what happened to us" which is probably a popular sentiment there.

Re:Flesh-Eating Bacteria That Can Kill in Two Days Spreads i... by klyrs on Sunday June 16, 2024 @10:41AM (#40697440)
> I wonder why they opted for a political framing of the article

What an interesting turn of phrase. In my mind, reducing interpersonal contact will obviously reduce interpersonal transmission of all infectious diseases. The policies surrounding covid reduced not just covid but also colds, flus, etc. That's a matter of obvious, well-understood cause&effect and strongly supported by the data.

But your reaction here is clearly and overtly political. Is the framing of the article "political framing" or is your kneejerk response "political framing?" Is it possible to mention covid policy without that being perceived as a political act, or is it merely taboo?

Re:Flesh-Eating Bacteria That Can Kill in Two Days Spreads i... by musha68k on Sunday June 16, 2024 @10:18AM (#40697261)
It could be tied to sars-cov2 and its detrimental longtime effects on general immune system function amongst other things related to the pandemic. To be checked on a case by case basis of course, don't know about these specific bacteria..

Don't look up the latest science on asymptomatic reinfections unless you really want to find out more.

Re:Flesh-Eating Bacteria That Can Kill in Two Days Spreads i... by flykespice on Sunday June 16, 2024 @10:29AM (#40697345)
There is nothing or any hint about that quote being politically charged at all.

You just making up things in your head.

Re:Flesh-Eating Bacteria That Can Kill in Two Days Spreads i... by HeatrayEnjoyer on Sunday June 16, 2024 @10:43AM (#40697460)
Where did they say it is political? I don't see that mentioned anywhere in the link.

There's nothing political about public health measures (even if some try to argue as such).

Re:Flesh-Eating Bacteria That Can Kill in Two Days Spreads i... by newzisforsukas on Sunday June 16, 2024 @10:11AM (#40697215)
Re:Flesh-Eating Bacteria That Can Kill in Two Days Spreads i... by musha68k on Sunday June 16, 2024 @10:50AM (#40697510)
Good analysis; more focus should also be put on asymptomatic reinfections:

"Even a mild or asymptomatic infection can harm the immune system. It can make you susceptible to new diseases that might not have bothered you before, but now, with your weakened immune system, these new diseases can find a foothold and attack you. Also, conditions that may have been dormant or held in check in your body by your immune system could resurface now that it’s weakened – things like shingles, HIV, or a resurgence of herpes. We’re seeing resurgences of all those things in the general population. We’re also seeing a resurgence in measles, whooping cough, and polio — all these things that we thought we’d gotten rid of. Whooping cough cases have been exploding in the UK. Our mass herd immunity is weakened and those diseases are all coming up again.

Beyond that, getting a COVID infection can double your risk of heart attack, increase the risk of stroke by three times, and double the risk of diabetes. All these things happen as a result of your COVID infection, and they persist for as much as two years, even if you had a mild or even an asymptomatic infection."

https://www.ineteconomics.org/perspectives/blog/from-long-co...

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Re:Flesh-Eating Bacteria That Can Kill in Two Days Spreads i... by slama on Sunday June 16, 2024 @10:28AM (#40697334)
From the WHO report:

> This is in the context of increased population mixing following a period of reduced circulation of GAS during the COVID-19 pandemic.

The article is merely restating the WHO report and not adding any new political takes. The downvotes are because the comment is incorrect.

Re:Flesh-Eating Bacteria That Can Kill in Two Days Spreads i... by rgrieselhuber on Sunday June 16, 2024 @12:32PM (#40698271)
Well at least you took the time to comment.

Downvotes with no commentary and which merely reinforce institutional narratives add no value to these sorts of discussions IMO. I think that HN would be much improved by a “you must submit a thoughtful comment or counter-argument when downvoting” guideline.

Re:Flesh-Eating Bacteria That Can Kill in Two Days Spreads i... by georgeplusplus on Sunday June 16, 2024 @09:43AM (#40697014)
Because mainstream US journalism has become a cesspool.
Re:Flesh-Eating Bacteria That Can Kill in Two Days Spreads i... by AlexandrB on Sunday June 16, 2024 @09:50AM (#40697062)
What do you mean "has become"? "Always has been". Remember "Bin Laden's Mountain Fortress"[1]?

[1] https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/tora-bora-tunnel-kin...

Re:Flesh-Eating Bacteria That Can Kill in Two Days Spreads i... by newzisforsukas on Sunday June 16, 2024 @10:00AM (#40697131)
Not saying this is the case here, but yellow journalism and practicing news literacy aren't new things.