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Re:US proposes banning medical debt from credit reports by lurking15 on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @08:26PM (#40653200)
They claim credit scores negatively affect "economic opportunity." This do-gooder idealism will be the basis for extending much more credit than advisable to people who proven themselves to not be credit worthy, and the result will be an utter catastrophe.
Re:US proposes banning medical debt from credit reports by favorited on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @08:41PM (#40653280)
> who proven themselves to not be credit worthy

I hate when people make terrible financial decisions, like running up cancer treatment bills that they can't afford to pay.

Re:US proposes banning medical debt from credit reports by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @08:52PM (#40653344)
> like running up cancer treatment bills that they can't afford to pay

Looking at this strictly from the perspective of creditworthiness, the question isn't the morality of the debt but whether this influences that person's ability to pay their credit card bill on time.

Based on the CFPB's data, if that's the sole delinquency on the report, the answer is a coin flip [1].

[1] https://files.consumerfinance.gov/f/201412_cfpb_reports_cons... page 7

Re:US proposes banning medical debt from credit reports by favorited on Wednesday June 12, 2024 @03:56AM (#40655646)
If you can identify a solution to the “I had cancer and lost all of my savings” problem (they do exist!), I’m on board. In the meantime, I don’t care if some lenders are prevented from denying car loans to people with insurmountable medical debt.
Re:US proposes banning medical debt from credit reports by everforward on Wednesday June 12, 2024 @10:15AM (#40658427)
I too would prefer an actual solution instead of a veneer.

It’s worth remembering that this won’t impact loaners, though; they don’t care as long as everyone has to do it so they aren’t getting undercut on rates.

They’ll just raise interest rates to cover the extra delinquencies, making cars/houses/etc less affordable to the poor. Hopefully by a small amount if the CFPB is right.

Re:US proposes banning medical debt from credit reports by richbell on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @08:52PM (#40653343)
Or having a medical emergency and being rushed to a hospital that happens to be out of network.
Re:US proposes banning medical debt from credit reports by toomuchtodo on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @09:01PM (#40653396)
They’re only “unworthy” because they live in the US, which has trapped them in a dysfunctional system they can’t escape to obtain reasonable cost healthcare.
Re:US proposes banning medical debt from credit reports by burnished on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @08:45PM (#40653305)
What? How does medical debt relate in any way?

Look, medical debt is very different from other kinds of debt in that it is usually incurred suddenly and unwillingly and at ruinous expense. Just using your family medical history would be a better improvement on the model and I've got the feeling that wouldnt strike you as just.

Re:US proposes banning medical debt from credit reports by __loam on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @09:04PM (#40653413)
Medical debt should not exist. Making the situation slightly less awful isn't do-gooder idealism, it's a tiny step in the direction of a sane healthcare system that nearly every other developed country on the planet somehow is able to have.
Re:US proposes banning medical debt from credit reports by hollerith on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @09:06PM (#40653421)
Are you saying that medical debt does not exist in every other developed country on the planet?
Re:US proposes banning medical debt from credit reports by andrewjl on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @09:51PM (#40653688)
It effectively doesn't if the healthcare system is single payer.
Re:US proposes banning medical debt from credit reports by __loam on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @09:07PM (#40653425)
It's far less likely to completely ruin your life than in the US.
Re:US proposes banning medical debt from credit reports by multjoy on Wednesday June 12, 2024 @12:26AM (#40654521)
It does not.
Re:US proposes banning medical debt from credit reports by explodingman on Wednesday June 12, 2024 @01:15AM (#40654789)
It doesn’t exist in Australia
Re:US proposes banning medical debt from credit reports by hollerith on Wednesday June 12, 2024 @08:04AM (#40657110)
Thanks for the info.
Re:US proposes banning medical debt from credit reports by defrost on Wednesday June 12, 2024 @01:25AM (#40654830)
American exceptionalism includes medical debt, not using metric, tipping as a substitute for a living wage, equating social policy with communism, and all manner of other things.
Re:US proposes banning medical debt from credit reports by givemeethekeys on Wednesday June 12, 2024 @01:10AM (#40654754)
As long as they don't ban filing for bankruptcy to wipe medical debt, I think it'll be okay. But, if they instead do to medical debt what they did to student debt - that it can never be bankrupted, then yes - this is how the system creates new slaves.
Re:US proposes banning medical debt from credit reports by nielsbot on Wednesday June 12, 2024 @03:55AM (#40655638)
What is your basis for saying it will be an utter catastrophe? Not so sure why you're down on doing good--we could use some of that IMO.
Re:US proposes banning medical debt from credit reports by lurking15 on Wednesday June 12, 2024 @09:04AM (#40657674)
> What is your basis for saying it will be an utter catastrophe?

Any of the other times when efforts were made to extend credit to people with bad credit scores, and it ends up with indebted people being in worse debt.

> Not so sure why you're down on doing good

a do-gooder is someone who has a naive conviction of their own moral superiority and agency

I'm saying there's people who, by never doubting their own agency & fallibility, force the unfortunate people they're trying to help into even worse misfortune.