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Re:Deterioration of Local Community a Major Driver of Loss o... by beretguy on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @06:19AM (#40644516)
> just tax fuel (or emissions etc)

No, because that harm small fun sports cars. The problem is big cars. Just ban big cars.

Re:Deterioration of Local Community a Major Driver of Loss o... by quantified on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @07:32AM (#40645001)
Small fun sports cars don't cost that much in fuel do they? Ferrari and Bugatti owners are pretty insensitive to fuel prices anyway.
Re:Deterioration of Local Community a Major Driver of Loss o... by ponector on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @06:30AM (#40644584)
Fuel tax is the best solution. Pay as you go.

More fuel you consume more emissions you produce, more distance you go, more road your wear occurs.

Do you want to get 8l V8 engine? Fine, just pay your fuel taxes.

Re:Deterioration of Local Community a Major Driver of Loss o... by gnz11 on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @07:23AM (#40644958)
Each US state has a gas tax already. Higher gas prices also don’t seem to stop people from buying giant trucks and SUVs.
Re:Deterioration of Local Community a Major Driver of Loss o... by AmVess on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @07:38AM (#40645049)
A reasonable well optioned truck is $75,000. People who can afford to spend that are immune from high gas prices.
Re:Deterioration of Local Community a Major Driver of Loss o... by sjsdaiuasgdia on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @08:31AM (#40645457)
You'd be surprised how many people look only at the monthly payment amount and ignore other financial concerns when deciding on a vehicle purchase. And perhaps with some terribly long loan term like 72 or 96 months they can get that payment to "fit" in their budget.
Re:Deterioration of Local Community a Major Driver of Loss o... by LargeWu on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @10:24AM (#40646515)
You'd be surprised how many people don't even consider the monthly payment. Not uncommon where I grew up to see guys making $50,000 a year driving $70,000 trucks. Because they "need it for work".
Re:Deterioration of Local Community a Major Driver of Loss o... by HideousKojima on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @03:22PM (#40650361)
$75,000 is waaaay beyond "reasonable" and "well optioned." I got my used Ford F-150 with about 220,000 miles for about $3,000, but there are plenty of actually reasonable trucks with good options in the $15,000-$30,000 range. And I'm definitely not immune to gas prices, I only take my truck when it's for something that I can't reasonably do in our Elantra, or when my wife is out somewhere in the Elatra and I need to drive somewhere.
Re:Deterioration of Local Community a Major Driver of Loss o... by adrianN on Wednesday June 12, 2024 @12:00AM (#40654355)
Make gas ten dollars a gallon and people will consider a more efficient car.
Re:Deterioration of Local Community a Major Driver of Loss o... by eru on Wednesday June 12, 2024 @01:17AM (#40654798)
By global standards, the American states have very low gas taxes.
Re:Deterioration of Local Community a Major Driver of Loss o... by mysterydip on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @08:25AM (#40645402)
What about the electric SUVs?
Re:Deterioration of Local Community a Major Driver of Loss o... by eru on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @09:35AM (#40646024)
You could tax momentum as well. (Or as a short-hand, tax fuel and tax vehicles by weight.)
Re:Deterioration of Local Community a Major Driver of Loss o... by causality0 on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @11:55AM (#40647825)
Tax road wear. The weight over each axle to the fourth power times number of axles. That'll put smaller cars on the road.
Re:Deterioration of Local Community a Major Driver of Loss o... by tb_technical on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @10:33AM (#40646622)
This is a silly tangential point, but with good design a V8 can be as efficient as an I4 (and with bad design a V6 can be more wasteful than a V8).

Pinning fuel use seems to be the way to go, rather than penalizing engine geometry, for this reason.

It's important to remember, though, that semi-trucks get 5-8 miles to the gallon due to their weight/purpose. Perhaps these new fuel taxes should only affect classes other than A, B, and C to avoid knock-on effects.

Re:Deterioration of Local Community a Major Driver of Loss o... by ProfessorLayton on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @03:06PM (#40650164)
>t's important to remember, though, that semi-trucks get 5-8 miles to the gallon due to their weight/purpose. Perhaps these new fuel taxes should only affect classes other than A, B, and C to avoid knock-on effects.

What's interesting here is that semi-trucks cause exponentially more wear and tear on the roads than consumer vehicles, while not paying the corresponding fuel tax — they're being subsidized by everyday drivers.

Also the knock on effects may not be completely negative, it could mean that it isn't economical to drive a truck door-to-door filled with low value merchandise (And give retail a fighting chance).

Re:Deterioration of Local Community a Major Driver of Loss o... by tb_technical on Wednesday June 12, 2024 @08:16AM (#40657215)
It's absolutely true that semi-trucks damage the roads.

What I was worried about was trucks used to transport groceries, not delivery trucks.

Last thing the poor need right now is the cost of food going even higher. They're already struggling to get by as it is.

Re:Deterioration of Local Community a Major Driver of Loss o... by eru on Tuesday June 11, 2024 @09:34AM (#40646018)
You can tax momentum (and/or weight), too.

Basically, tax fuel and tax the car.

But no need for outright bans. Almost any externality you can think of from (big) cars is finite, and thus a finite tax is appropriate.