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Re:Stealing everything you've ever typed on your Windows Rec... by politelemon on Saturday June 01, 2024 @05:31AM (#40544213)
IMO the link should point at the original source: https://doublepulsar.com/recall-stealing-everything-youve-ev...

The blog post is insanely reductive and clickbaitish

Re:Stealing everything you've ever typed on your Windows Rec... by simonw on Saturday June 01, 2024 @05:46AM (#40544271)
I agree that the original article should be linked here, not my summary.

I take offense to the clickbait accusation. This post wasn't intended to be shared elsewhere, it was a bookmark on my personal website. I have 7,000 more of those here: https://simonwillison.net/search/?q=&type=blogmark

Re:Stealing everything you've ever typed on your Windows Rec... by temp3000 on Saturday June 01, 2024 @06:34AM (#40544471)
I agree, not clickbait.

It probably needs a heading or something to make it clear it is a summary of another blog.

I was a bit confused I assumed this was your blog post at first.

Maybe because I am on mobile there is some missing context about what this is.

Re:Stealing everything you've ever typed on your Windows Rec... by breck on Saturday June 01, 2024 @06:45AM (#40544532)
I had not heard the term "blogmarks" before, but looks interesting, what you are doing there.

Have you written anything about that yet?

Re:Stealing everything you've ever typed on your Windows Rec... by simonw on Saturday June 01, 2024 @06:56AM (#40544590)
I started using the term about twenty years ago: https://simonwillison.net/2003/Nov/24/blogmarks/

It's basically my name for a link blog. My biggest inspiration for this is https://daringfireball.net where most of the posts are links plus commentary but sometime they are full blown essays in their own right.

https://waxy.org is another link blog that I really like.

Re:Stealing everything you've ever typed on your Windows Rec... by lagniappe on Saturday June 01, 2024 @06:56AM (#40544592)
I had a similar idea and built linkfeed for it - though blogmark probably makes more sense.

Here's mine: https://linkfeed.net/u/5rh44yzy

And RSS: https://linkfeed.net/u/5rh44yzy/feed

Re:Stealing everything you've ever typed on your Windows Rec... by nonameiguess on Saturday June 01, 2024 @06:29AM (#40544447)
I understand and don't disagree with this sentiment, but I also think it's worth considering the Internet fame you've developed over the decades. Your blog isn't a diary. A lot of people are reading it and you might take that into consideration. It's going to be shared far and wide whether you intend it or not.

I'm not really a fan of Scott Alexander any more, but something he used to do years back that I liked was putting an "epistemic status" disclaimer at the top of every new post. Some were well-researched, evidence-backed treatises. Some were barely idle shower thoughts. Everyone's musings, whether they write them down or not, probably fall into categories like these. But when you know others are reading it, it can be helpful to make very explicit which is which so readers know what to take seriously and what to consider exploratory and possible but also only preliminary and maybe a deadend or even wrong.

Re:Stealing everything you've ever typed on your Windows Rec... by danieldk on Saturday June 01, 2024 @06:35AM (#40544476)
I understand and don't disagree with this sentiment, but I also think it's worth considering the Internet fame you've developed over the decades. Your blog isn't a diary. A lot of people are reading it and you might take that into consideration.

Their blog can be anything they want? The post literally starts with the link to the original source. It's not like those typical clickbait sites that bury the link somewhere deep down. IMO, it's up to the submitter to link to the original source.

I see it more as quote-Tweets, someone with reach amplifying useful/interesting articles.

Re:Stealing everything you've ever typed on your Windows Rec... by usrbinbash on Saturday June 01, 2024 @06:55AM (#40544586)
> Your blog isn't a diary

A blog is exactly what the one who writes it wants it to be.

Re:Stealing everything you've ever typed on your Windows Rec... by waihtis on Saturday June 01, 2024 @06:32AM (#40544462)
On the other hand, you could thank simonw for writing over 7000 instances of free summaries.
Re:Stealing everything you've ever typed on your Windows Rec... by fragmede on Saturday June 01, 2024 @06:37AM (#40544483)
the short entries are tagged with #blogmark.
Re:Stealing everything you've ever typed on your Windows Rec... by rmbyrro on Saturday June 01, 2024 @05:52AM (#40544303)
It is a summary, not an insane reduction. Summaries can have sane usefulness.

I didn't find it clickbaity at all.

Re:Stealing everything you've ever typed on your Windows Rec... by dom96 on Saturday June 01, 2024 @06:13AM (#40544385)
Same, I enjoyed the terseness of this summary.
Re:Stealing everything you've ever typed on your Windows Rec... by timeon on Saturday June 01, 2024 @06:45AM (#40544534)
And was not present with pop-ups like on that Medium site.
Re:Stealing everything you've ever typed on your Windows Rec... by Nevolihs on Saturday June 01, 2024 @06:42AM (#40544516)
I've been wanting something like this for my entire life and it seems like computers are finally heading in a direction of becoming extensions of ourselves instead of just clunky tools we have to adapt ourselves to. This has been the kind of sci-fi I've dreamt of since I was a kid.

I get the privacy concerns. And security concerns. But honestly, if somebody has this kind of access to your computer, they have access to your entire life anyway. Setting up a keylogger, getting all your passwords, getting any vital documents, etc. It's trivial. When is it just pointless fear mongering? It's subject to the same security concerns as everything else and we don't suggest people switch to pen and paper instead.

Re:Stealing everything you've ever typed on your Windows Rec... by usrbinbash on Saturday June 01, 2024 @06:57AM (#40544594)
> But honestly, if somebody has this kind of access to your computer, they have access to your entire life anyway.

Exactly. So please tell me why I would want to essentially allow something like this on my machine?

As for the scifi-esque abilities: All my important information is stored in a personal wiki, which is automatically backed up and encrypted on a backup server. It's fully tagged, its fully searchable. And you know what? I have even set up a pipeline to feed it into a locally run LLM if I want to. Yes, I can do RAG on my personal wiki.

Re:Stealing everything you've ever typed on your Windows Rec... by Nevolihs on Saturday June 01, 2024 @08:42AM (#40545269)
> All my important information is stored in a personal wiki

Ah, there's the crux, no? I dream of a system that automatically captures and allows me to interact with and query against everything I do, every ebook I download, every image, every document, every video, every site. What you're describing isn't this, it's not even the same ballpark.

Recall, even if it isn't perfect, is in the same ballpark.

> Exactly. So please tell me why I would want to essentially allow something like this on my machine?

Because it's useful. I don't understand this. It's like a circular argument. I want a useful feature, I install it on my PC. The security concerns apply regardless of Recall existing.

Re:Stealing everything you've ever typed on your Windows Rec... by usrbinbash on Sunday June 02, 2024 @02:06PM (#40556084)
> I dream of a system that automatically captures and allows me to interact with and query against everything I do

Well, I don't.

For starters, because not everything I do generates relevant information for me. All those hours spent surfing through random blogs or wikipedia articles, most news I read, or watching some random scifi series just isn't info that I will ever need to refer back to. It's just noise. Best case scenario, it's useless information that just bloats the database.

Alternative scenario: It messes with the results. Intelligence and statistics are not the same thing. So what if I read some scifi novel on my screen, and the content of that pages embedding just so happens to score higher to a future query than an actually useful document?

In my system, I decide what's relevant information and what isn't. Subsequently, when I use RAG on this, I use it on already curated data. That data is already having structure imposed on it, so it is accessible to me with our without the help of AI.

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Then there is also the whole issue about information that is simply too sensitive to store in my personal Wiki. For example: I would NEVER store my bank account details, or API keys in there, even though everything is encrypted. All passwords and similar information go into a separate system FOR A REASON; Single points of failure are bad, and this goes double in security.

Now, a system that takes a screenshot and runs OCR on everything? Cool. What if it does so when I am just running a testscript after setting a temporary envvar in preparation? I don't want that info anywhere outside of my password manager. And yes, this does matter, even if everything is stored locally.

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And, of course, we haven't even started on the whole issue of privacy, and how people will feel about a system that basically logs and stores everything the user does. It doesn't matter how useful it could be if people don't feel comfortable with it.

Re:Stealing everything you've ever typed on your Windows Rec... by usrbinbash on Wednesday June 05, 2024 @04:34AM (#40582702)
> The security concerns apply regardless of Recall existing.

Not quite. Because there is a world of difference between an attacker being able to grab information that is being entered or temporarily present, or permanently present and encrypted, and an attacker being able to, within seconds, grab everything the user ever did, watched, saw, entered, etc. on his machine in one fell swoop:

https://doublepulsar.com/recall-stealing-everything-youve-ev...

Quote from the Q&A Section of the post:

"Q. But if a hacker gains access to run code on your PC, it’s already game over!

A. If you run something like an info stealer, at present they will automatically scrape things like credential stores. At scale, hackers scrape rather than touch every victim (because there are so many) and resell them in online marketplaces.

Recall enables threat actors to automate scraping everything you’ve ever looked at within seconds.

During testing this with an off the shelf infostealer, I used Microsoft Defender for Endpoint — which detected the off the shelve infostealer — but by the time the automated remediation kicked in (which took over ten minutes) my Recall data was already long gone."

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And this is THE core problem with such a system, that just hoovers up everything, everywhere, all at once: It creates a single point of failure so critical, it will instantly become the prime target of every attack, because no other target is needed any more.