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Re:Linux May Be the Best Way to Avoid the AI Nightmare by ekianjo on Friday May 31, 2024 @09:09PM (#40541956)
what I said in another comment: as long as you cant buy a PC with Linux pre-installed easily this will remain a small minority OS.
Re:Linux May Be the Best Way to Avoid the AI Nightmare by talldayo on Friday May 31, 2024 @09:11PM (#40541974)
> Linux pre-installed easily

At this point I'm fairly sure setting up the average Linux distro takes less time than the first-party Windows and MacOS welcome wizards.

Re:Linux May Be the Best Way to Avoid the AI Nightmare by pennomi on Friday May 31, 2024 @09:21PM (#40542032)
Less time, more skill.
Re:Linux May Be the Best Way to Avoid the AI Nightmare by skeledrew on Friday May 31, 2024 @10:27PM (#40542375)
I literally just a few minutes ago setup Linux (Kubuntu 24.04) on a new laptop (Framework). It was insert USB drive, press power button, select the drive to boot, wait a few seconds for live OS, run the "Install Now" app on the desktop, hit "Next" a few times, wait about 5 minutes for the install to complete, and restart and remove the disk. Can't get much simpler to setup a fresh system.
Re:Linux May Be the Best Way to Avoid the AI Nightmare by joshspankit on Friday May 31, 2024 @10:46PM (#40542471)
Before someone argues that “this requires enough background technical knowledge to know which buttons to press to make it easy” there is a point there, but distro maintainers have had that point in front of them for decades.

There’s now only one prerequisite for new users: the willingness to format the hard drive. Everything else is trivial and for 9/10 distros the screens are welcoming, clear, refined, and non-technical.

Re:Linux May Be the Best Way to Avoid the AI Nightmare by talldayo on Friday May 31, 2024 @09:25PM (#40542065)
Suppose I should start certifying people capable of pressing F12 on boot.
Re:Linux May Be the Best Way to Avoid the AI Nightmare by ekianjo on Saturday June 01, 2024 @02:25AM (#40543365)
nobody needs to install windows when they get a PC these days
Re:Linux May Be the Best Way to Avoid the AI Nightmare by lambdanil on Saturday June 01, 2024 @02:31AM (#40543392)
You have to go through a first run wizard to set up your Microsoft account, etc. even on a computer with Windows preinstalled. At least that was my experience a few years ago, and I doubt it has changed.
Re:Linux May Be the Best Way to Avoid the AI Nightmare by Zambyte on Saturday June 01, 2024 @10:02AM (#40545815)
Nobody except a lot of people enthusiastic enough about gaming to build their own desktop
Re:Linux May Be the Best Way to Avoid the AI Nightmare by talldayo on Saturday June 01, 2024 @11:07AM (#40546351)
Hopefully now those people give Windows the side-eye since the advent of the Steam Deck. If you just need a PC for gaming, you're practically the prime candidate for switching to Linux.
Re:Linux May Be the Best Way to Avoid the AI Nightmare by kjkjadksj on Friday May 31, 2024 @09:11PM (#40541970)
A lot of linux laptops available now from dell, lenovo, etc.
Re:Linux May Be the Best Way to Avoid the AI Nightmare by jrepinc on Friday May 31, 2024 @09:23PM (#40542045)
Also Slimbook, Tuxedo, System 67 and many more. Hardly any excuse these days, And also agree it is so simple an quick to do the installations that it is not such a problem anymore.
Re:Linux May Be the Best Way to Avoid the AI Nightmare by ekianjo on Saturday June 01, 2024 @02:26AM (#40543370)
nobody knows these brands apart from Linux users.

> agree it is so simple an quick to do the installations that it is not such a problem anymore.

I wonder if people here are sometimes exposed to non technical users. You would be very surprised.

Re:Linux May Be the Best Way to Avoid the AI Nightmare by jrepinc on Saturday June 01, 2024 @05:28AM (#40544191)
Well it is not exactly nobody. I know a few people who were not GNU/Linux users and bought laptops from them, But yeah you have to do some research for informed buying, it is a must for anything otherwise if you only buy known brands you are just a fool anyways. But yeah more people should know about this and make informed purchases.

As for installation, my sister is a graphic designer and installed KDE Neon completely on her own about half a year ago. Also one of my friends before that did the same with Kubuntu. And they are far from technical people, especially when it comes to computers.

I think the biggest problem are our crappy educational systems which are these days basically Microsoft propaganda and training centers. They should all be teaching free and opensource only and not do free marketing for Big Tech which are nowadays increasingly just spyware/adware corporations. but these days they hardly even mention anyone else and thus just produce mindless uninformed consumers. But yeah I know this is a big problem to solve but a must to solve or else it will get increasing bad for society. And that is why we must also act politically and join political parties and push fort these fixes and improvements in educational and governmental policies to demand the software and hardware that respects users freedoms, privacy and other digital rights. And only this way informed and aware people will also demand people respecting product when buying and more brands that not many know will become known and the better known will be asked more to offer GNU/Linux-preinstalled computers.

Re:Linux May Be the Best Way to Avoid the AI Nightmare by Zefiroj on Friday May 31, 2024 @09:48PM (#40542200)
You can. They're called chromebooks.
Re:Linux May Be the Best Way to Avoid the AI Nightmare by weikju on Friday May 31, 2024 @11:28PM (#40542644)
that won't be an escape from the ad/ai slop though
Re:Linux May Be the Best Way to Avoid the AI Nightmare by dangus on Friday May 31, 2024 @09:33PM (#40542108)
Steam Deck?
Re:Linux May Be the Best Way to Avoid the AI Nightmare by ekianjo on Saturday June 01, 2024 @02:27AM (#40543375)
most people dont buy a Steam Deck to use it as a computer.
Re:Linux May Be the Best Way to Avoid the AI Nightmare by dangus on Saturday June 01, 2024 @04:16AM (#40543851)
Gaming is something you do on computers. How many Windows users only have their Windows system to play games? I bet that number is quite significant.

Next we’ll gatekeep drawing tablets like iPads and say that they aren’t really doing computing. But the thing is if there was one day in the future where an artist’s tablet that ran Linux became commercially successful, the end result would be that more users are on Linux.

Re:Linux May Be the Best Way to Avoid the AI Nightmare by philistine on Saturday June 01, 2024 @10:03AM (#40545827)
I agree with you in principle, since a computer’s a computer, but the Steam Deck is so different and specifically made for gaming that it’s really hard to count it amongst the Linux fold. We don’t count the Switch owners as computer users of BSD after all.

And if you’re trying to make Linux into this paragon against the AI invasion, a portable console connected to the largest gaming store in the world is not a winning move. With how fickle Valve is, they’ll go all in on AI any day now.

Re:Linux May Be the Best Way to Avoid the AI Nightmare by talldayo on Saturday June 01, 2024 @11:24AM (#40546508)
So, evidently you have not used a Steam Deck or appear to be in abject denial of what it is.

> the Steam Deck is so different and specifically made for gaming that it’s really hard to count it amongst the Linux fold.

That's funny, it has a KDE desktop and a graphical installer for Linux packages. It looks no different from my Linux desktop at home.

> We don’t count the Switch owners as computer users of BSD after all.

You very well could: https://switchroot.org/

The default Switch OS is more importantly based on Android though.

> a portable console connected to the largest gaming store in the world is not a winning move.

You're damn right. That's why Valve specifically designed the Steam Deck so it's not connected to them for essential services. You can install Windows on it, put another Linux distro over the base install, or dual boot with whatever ungodly combination you prefer. I don't know who led you onto this, but using Valve-provided software is entirely optional for Steam Deck owners.

> With how fickle Valve is, they’ll go all in on AI any day now.

Evidently you don't use Steam very much, either. Steam, the app, hasn't received a serious "new feature" since they spruced up the in-game chat app during the pandemic. I am about as worried of Valve going all-in on AI as I am worried of Joe Biden adopting serious socialist reform into his policy. It's not going to happen, Jack.

Re:Linux May Be the Best Way to Avoid the AI Nightmare by philistine on Saturday June 01, 2024 @05:07PM (#40549077)
The presence of these affordances (allowing easy access to a Linux desktop, the ability to install Windows) is there to placate people like you. The vast majority of Steam Deck users will never use a Switch form factor and think let me pop into the desktop to install command line utilities.

And finally, Valve is conservative with many things, and fickle in many others. They have completely reversed their policy with regards to what adult game is or isn’t allowed on their store twice. Allowing AI-made content on their store is a question of policy.

Re:Linux May Be the Best Way to Avoid the AI Nightmare by talldayo on Saturday June 01, 2024 @06:28PM (#40549634)
There are AI-based games on their store. Not many, but they exist: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1889620/AI_Roguelite/

If you can manage to monetize a game that relies on OpenAI, I don't see why it couldn't be made available on Steam. I also don't see why going "all-in" on those experiences would ruin the experience for everyone else; that's the industry's decision to make, Valve doesn't really make games anymore.

Re:Linux May Be the Best Way to Avoid the AI Nightmare by dangus on Saturday June 01, 2024 @03:24PM (#40548389)
The Switch doesn’t have a Linux desktop mode installed and consumer-accessible by a prominent menu option by default. The Steam Deck does.
Re:Linux May Be the Best Way to Avoid the AI Nightmare by Zambyte on Saturday June 01, 2024 @10:03AM (#40545826)
What do they use it as? A paper weight? Wall art?