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Re:Cloudflare took down our site after trying to force us to... by Hikikomori on Sunday May 26, 2024 @09:22AM (#40481972)
How does paying $10k a month solve that?
Re:Cloudflare took down our site after trying to force us to... by jacoblambda on Sunday May 26, 2024 @10:59AM (#40482669)
It's 10k a month for them to set up a dedicated IP address pool so that they could BYOIP and buy their own IP addresses instead of getting the IP addresses in cloudflare's main IP address pool repeatedly banned or reputation harmed.

i.e. it's a $10k fee for maintaining the infrastructure for a quarantine around their services

Re:Cloudflare took down our site after trying to force us to... by Hikikomori on Sunday May 26, 2024 @11:39AM (#40483010)
Why can't they communicate than then? BYOIP also costs nothing to produce.
Re:Cloudflare took down our site after trying to force us to... by jacoblambda on Sunday May 26, 2024 @12:36PM (#40483433)
> Why can't they communicate than then?

They did. Repeatedly. You see it mentioned in the few emails the OP chose to share. But they also didn't share the other communication they had over the month long discussion they had with cloudflare.

> BYOIP also costs nothing to produce.

That's not really accurate. Cloudflare is entirely built around one big unified anycast network. If you want to provision an entirely separate network that maintains all the same features they are using from the main cloudflare network, that's going to require provisioning a lot of cpu time and routing table slots at a lot of different sites plus whatever admin and engineer overhead comes from maintaining this quarantined service.

Re:Cloudflare took down our site after trying to force us to... by Hikikomori on Sunday May 26, 2024 @01:11PM (#40483722)
Big difference between:

>Here's the features you get with enterprise

And

>If you do not use byoip with your service you cannot be a customer, and also pay us $120k upfront while we do not tell you why, it's only a 40x price increase. You have 24h.

As a network engineer I'm well aware of what it costs to add prefixes to what you announce over bgp, some miniscule additional CPU overhead, likely unmeasurable. Even slow mips processors could process full table bgp.

Re:Cloudflare took down our site after trying to force us to... by nolverostae on Sunday May 26, 2024 @12:41PM (#40483462)
This is literally all written communication they gave us. The only other thing was calls. Not calls with anyone that had any knowledge about what any issues were, but calls with sales.
Re:Cloudflare took down our site after trying to force us to... by sgjohnson on Sunday May 26, 2024 @12:54PM (#40483567)
The costs for announcing the customer's IPs and making sure that only they are the ones actually sitting on them would be minuscule. Nowhere near $10k/mo. Maybe $100/mo.

Anycast/unicast changes nothing here. Anycast simply means that the same prefix is announced in multiple different PoPs.

Re:Cloudflare took down our site after trying to force us to... by Tao3300 on Sunday May 26, 2024 @10:01AM (#40482261)
Nice place you got here. It'd be a shame if something happened to it.

Except the "place" isn't Mom and Pop's bodega, it's a casino dodging countries blocking its main domain.

Re:Cloudflare took down our site after trying to force us to... by Hikikomori on Sunday May 26, 2024 @10:08AM (#40482310)
Assuming that is what was happening, why would CF suddenly be okay with an illegal site if they pay more? Might as well call it the criminal enterprise plan then.
Re:Cloudflare took down our site after trying to force us to... by CyberDildonics on Monday May 27, 2024 @10:56AM (#40491323)
What are you trying to say here? You think extortion is ok if a country is trying to base itself where it is legal?
Re:Cloudflare took down our site after trying to force us to... by scrollaway on Sunday May 26, 2024 @09:29AM (#40482025)
For $10k / mo paid 1 year in advance, your cloud provider does a legal review of the situation and figures out how to make your problem work on both the technical and legal level. It's not a "special plan", it's consulting.

Edit: "How do you know?" -- I don't know it's actually what happened, but when switching to enterprise, you don't go from 10% margin to 98% margin. The added costs actually represent added budget for the provider to deal with your "special case". ALL enterprise pricing tiers are disguised consulting contracts.

Re:Cloudflare took down our site after trying to force us to... by Hikikomori on Sunday May 26, 2024 @09:39AM (#40482097)
Or they had already decided to kick them out and tried to get some money out of them first.
Re:Cloudflare took down our site after trying to force us to... by atmosx on Sunday May 26, 2024 @09:43AM (#40482136)
Great theory!

The only questions that come to mind: how do you know? If that was the case why didn't they tell the customer?