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Re:Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead" by MrDresden on Sunday May 19, 2024 @02:26AM (#40404679)
You are taking the side of a 3 trillion dollor consumer goods company's bottom line, rather than 500 million people's right to choice and privacy.

You do realise that, don't you?

Re:Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead" by subroutine on Sunday May 19, 2024 @04:31AM (#40405310)
The EU's biggest money maker is enacting laws that can be used to sue American tech companies.
Re:Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead" by sir_pepe on Sunday May 19, 2024 @05:23AM (#40405543)
Not true, member state's contributions are the largest "money maker": https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/policies/financing-the-eu...
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Re:Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead" by ben_w on Sunday May 19, 2024 @03:30AM (#40404987)
As a Brit who moved to Germany rather than the US as a result of 2016's Investigatory Powers Act and Brexit referendum results, I am not motivated by such things.
Re:Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead" by raverbashing on Sunday May 19, 2024 @03:08AM (#40404872)
> And the side of American prosperity and hegemony.

An argument that was often used to justify things like no limit to working hours, no worker's rights, etc

Re:Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead" by subroutine on Sunday May 19, 2024 @04:35AM (#40405323)
Pffft. Maybe the EU would have some big tech companies of their own if they didn't take entire summers off work.
Re:Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead" by ben_w on Sunday May 19, 2024 @04:49AM (#40405399)
The EU makes a reasonable number of tech companies (though these days, is there really a distinction between tech and non-tech?), they just keep getting bought out.
Re:Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead" by forgetfreeman on Sunday May 19, 2024 @03:32AM (#40405002)
Apple isn't doing a damned thing to promote my prosperity bud, and glossy consumer electronics is hardly the path to hegemony. Just between me and you, I think consumers, The Market, and tech in general would be better off if Apple imploded in a cloud of minority shareholder lawsuits.
Re:Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead" by paganel on Sunday May 19, 2024 @04:03AM (#40405163)
The ghouls in Brussels do not represent us all, they do not represent anyone, if we’re talking democracy. It’s a battle over clout and economic resources between whoever is backing these technocrats and some of the biggest corporations in the world, most of us EU citizens have a lot of more important worries on our minds.
Re:Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead" by martimarkov on Sunday May 19, 2024 @04:20AM (#40405264)
Ummm like what? Tell me what are there problems that we need to worry about where a battle over “economic resources” is you know… not a part of the solution or problem.

Also if we are talking democracy and representation- it’s quite obvious you are mistaken. We have the European Parliament elections so… you know democratically elected representatives.

Feel free to share you view on democracy but it will be in conflict with that the real definition of word is given your comment.

Re:Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead" by malermeister on Sunday May 19, 2024 @04:13AM (#40405220)
They represent me and my fellow non-extremist citizens. Is the EU perfect? No. Is it better than any alternative? Yes.
Re:Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead" by vsl on Sunday May 19, 2024 @04:24AM (#40405275)
Calling people you disagree with "extremist" is a step too far.
Re:Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead" by malermeister on Sunday May 19, 2024 @04:25AM (#40405283)
So is calling our representatives "ghouls".
Re:Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead" by polotics on Sunday May 19, 2024 @04:25AM (#40405282)
May I ask you to consider that possibly what you refer as ghouls are no more no less ghoulish than MBA's somewhere in the valley planning on maximum screen-addiction for ten year olds. At some point you have to face the possibility that the opposite of a bad thing may also be an equally bad thing...
Re:Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead" by lucianbr on Sunday May 19, 2024 @04:25AM (#40405285)
> they do not represent anyone

As a european citizen, I really wonder what allows you to speak in my name. How arrogant can you get?

Re:Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead" by KronisLV on Sunday May 19, 2024 @04:54AM (#40405420)
Agreed. I live in Europe and while it has its issues, in general I'm not too displeased with it. The comment above seems to have an unnecessarily vile tone.
Re:Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead" by paganel on Sunday May 19, 2024 @05:54AM (#40405693)
> How arrogant can you get?

Could be that some of the people in here are fine with a "Parliament" that is not really a parliament and that they are fine with the unelected European Commission taking decisions that affect us all, but that has nothing to do with "arrogance", it's just them wanting to live under a non-democratic regime.

And facts speak for themselves, the technocrats in Brussels do not represent anyone because it was not the people of the EU who have put them there. Some of you may agree with their fiat decisions, but that is not "representation", it's just "sharing of interests".

Re:Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead" by surgical_fire on Sunday May 19, 2024 @06:42AM (#40405915)
> Could be that some of the people in here are fine with a "Parliament" that is not really a parliament and that they are fine with the unelected European Commission taking decisions that affect us all, but that has nothing to do with "arrogance", it's just them wanting to live under a non-democratic regime.

The commission is appointed by the member states, which are all, supposedly, democratically elected (and I only make this caveat because Hungary exists). There's nothing "non-democratic" about it.

> And facts speak for themselves, the technocrats in Brussels do not represent anyone because it was not the people of the EU who have put them there. Some of you may agree with their fiat decisions, but that is not "representation", it's just "sharing of interests".

Please, enlighten me how it was not the people of the EU who put them there. I'll wait.

Re:Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead" by paganel on Sunday May 19, 2024 @11:30AM (#40407564)
> The commission is appointed by the member states, which are all, supposedly, democratically elected

Yes, that's what they say, if that's "democracy" then we certainly have a different understanding of it.

> Please, enlighten me how it was not the people of the EU who put them there.

Take 8 out of 10 people (and I'm being generous here) off the street and ask them what party they represents them in the European "Parliament" (which is not really a parliament, the same way as the Democratic Republic of Korea is not all that democratic), they won't be able to tell you (I certainly won't be able). As per the European Commission, asking them that would be futile, see my point above.

More generally speaking, this policy of putting one's head in the sand and shouting "I can't hear you! This is a democracy! The European Commission actually represents the will of the European people! Saying otherwise is vile talk!" when the European electorate starts noticing facts for what they are wont' really help this "European" project going forward, but that's the bed that they've decided to sleep in so it's up to the technocrats in Brussels now.

Re:Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead" by surgical_fire on Sunday May 19, 2024 @11:37AM (#40407610)
> Take 8 out of 10 people (and I'm being generous here) off the street and ask them what party they represents them in the European "Parliament"

So your argument for it being undemocratic is that randos don't care enough to understand who represents them in the EU?

Re:Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead" by wolvesechoes on Sunday May 19, 2024 @07:17AM (#40406100)
And those technocrats doesn't force anything, and their role is not to represent anything. Every law needs to be voted by the Council, and this is your real representation. If you don't like where EU is heading, complain to your government.
Re:Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead" by Cthulhu_ on Sunday May 19, 2024 @04:31AM (#40405308)
I mean that's the basic flaw of democracy; what alternative are you suggesting? Dissolution of the EU and back to how it was? Have a look at the UK nowadays to see how that worked out.

It's not perfect, but it's the best we've come up with so far.

Re:Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead" by mike_hearn on Sunday May 19, 2024 @05:35AM (#40405607)
The UK is largely unchanged from before Brexit. Its economic performance is similar to the rest of Europe. It continues to trade with and cooperate with other European countries, whilst also building stronger links with the rest of the world too (see Aukus for an example).

The predictions of all the bad things that'd happen on leaving were all incorrect. There was no 800k job losses, closed airspaces, trade wars etc.

Re:Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead" by Eavolution on Sunday May 19, 2024 @02:29PM (#40408805)
I'm guessing you live in GB. In NI tensions are higher due to it (unionist opposition to the protocol), shipping's often more expensive, or items won't be shipped to us (try putting a BT postcode into displate, or ordering batteries online), and it's more difficult for companies to operate on an all Ireland basis. We also have "only for Northern Ireland" items in shops which are items that can't legally be sold in Ireland or GB despite being identical, in a shop like Tesco that operates in all 3 areas, causing more difficulty to shops than necessary. Here we've only seen negatives, in an area with a complicated relationship with borders, where the single most effective thing we had to deal with that was a set of common laws and trade area (europe), and none of this was even considered by Westminster before the referendum.

Edit: forgot to mention this. Someone in my family has a vehicle in Ireland and in NI, we sort of live between the two countries, pre-brexit that was completely fine as their drivers licence was european so there was no issues, but post-brexit they cannot get insured in Ireland due to insurance companies refusing to give insurance to someone with a non-EU licence.

Re:Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead" by fwlr on Sunday May 19, 2024 @02:50AM (#40404781)
It's governments vs corporations; the 500 million people aren't actually being represented in either camp. Being a subject is little better than being a consumer, and in some ways much worse.
Re:Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead" by theshrike79 on Sunday May 19, 2024 @03:29AM (#40404981)
I can vote for who decides things in the EU.

I have no say in how Google, for example, does their business. I'm way too poor for that. I'd need literal billions of stock to get Satya Nadella's phone number =)

Re:Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead" by wolfendin on Sunday May 19, 2024 @04:15AM (#40405238)
Good for you, I can’t and now I have to deal with endless pop ups about cookies.
Re:Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead" by gschizas on Sunday May 19, 2024 @04:35AM (#40405332)
The cookie popups are just the dark pattern that companies decided to use to avoid using those sweet, sweet money from selling your private data. They were never prescribed by GDPR.
Re:Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead" by olivierduval on Sunday May 19, 2024 @04:52AM (#40405413)
That was not mandated by the GDPR but implemented by companies trying to punish users in the hope of a backlash and cancellation of the law

All the GDPR is asking is: "if you want to use some PII, you have (1) to ask consent (2) to accept user decision"

Others implementations may have included: respecting "Do Not Track" signal implemented in browser or just... not using PII at first to sell personal datas to advertiser to make more money than selling untargeted ads (so no popup needed)!

Re:Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead" by kristiandupont on Sunday May 19, 2024 @05:04AM (#40405461)
As a European citizen, I am affected by plenty of American politics even though I can't vote.
Re:Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead" by fullspectrumdev on Sunday May 19, 2024 @08:42AM (#40406579)
The only reason you get the pop ups about cookies is because the sites you visit that display those popups prefer to do that instead of respecting your privacy.

It’s literally malicious compliance.

Re:Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead" by jimbobthrowawy on Sunday May 19, 2024 @11:44AM (#40407652)
Try this if you haven't already; https://consentomatic.au.dk/

I find it very useful on firefox for android, since those buttons are often tiny.

Re:Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead" by mike_hearn on Sunday May 19, 2024 @05:52AM (#40405686)
Good luck getting the personal phone number of an EU Commissioner. You can't vote for who decides things in the EU. You can vote for MEPs but they don't decide things. The DMA represents the desires and priorities of the European Commission, a body carefully placed well beyond any form of democracy and whose membership isn't even close to representative of the actual continent.

If the EU Commission were influenced by voters, their priorities would follow what people say they care about in the EU's own opinion polls:

https://europa.eu/eurobarometer/surveys/detail/3218

"Europeans tend to think that the most important issues facing their region at the moment are the cost of living (31%), the economic situation and unemployment (26%), and health (26%)."

No surprises there. People are feeling poor. They want more jobs and more money. A normal democratic government response would be trying to woo companies to Europe to create jobs, train locals and create economic success. It would also be lowering taxes and encouraging the creation of local startups in any way possible. That's a standard recipe that's been used many times throughout the world in response to economic discontent. But the EU isn't a normal democratic government so it spends its time on fiddling with iOS, something that doesn't even show up on polls at all because nobody cares.

It's for this kind of reason that French voters are likely to send the RN to the European Parliament in large numbers in the next election, mirroring the same pattern seen all over Europe:

https://www.politico.eu/europe-poll-of-polls/france/

The RN is an explicitly Eurosceptic party whose only specific policy on the EU is to oppose it. Sending it to Brussels will change nothing because the European Parliament doesn't matter, but it does send a strong message of discontentment and a desire to use whatever meagre powers the Parliament has to slow the Commission down.

Re:Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead" by growse on Monday May 27, 2024 @05:20AM (#40489106)
> Good luck getting the personal phone number of an EU Commissioner. You can't vote for who decides things in the EU. You can vote for MEPs but they don't decide things.

Replace "EU commissioner" with "government minister" and you've just described the UK, where we also don't elect the people who decide things (the cabinet).

Re:Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead" by dmoo on Sunday May 19, 2024 @02:58AM (#40404811)
Most are citizens rather than subjects and EU elections are at the start of June.
Re:Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead" by pjerem on Sunday May 19, 2024 @03:39AM (#40405051)
s/Most/All
Re:Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead" by xandrius on Sunday May 19, 2024 @04:04AM (#40405177)
EU is totally representing me by taking this stance, so there's that.
Re:Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead" by kernal on Wednesday May 22, 2024 @01:04PM (#40443343)
No, I'm taking the side of sanity over an overly bureaucratic union that requires all its websites to show cookie banners.
Re:Big Tech to EU: "Drop Dead" by growse on Monday May 27, 2024 @04:59AM (#40488986)
Where does the EU require websites to show cookie banners?