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Re:Raspberry Pi Ltd is considering an IPO by notanormalnerd on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @09:53AM (#40366979)
I think a better way would be to keep the foundation and spin off a company that manufactures all of that. Sell 49% of that company in an IPO and keep the majority stake in the foundation. This way they can raise money for expansion while keeping the mission in line.

This also signals very clear to investors what this enterprise is about.

Re:Raspberry Pi Ltd is considering an IPO by gchadwick on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @10:02AM (#40367088)
This is already the setup, the foundation owns the trading company and it is the trading company going to IPO.

From a quick scan it's not clear to me what share of ownership of RPi ltd the foundation would retain post IPO other than the foundation will be selling at least some of its stake:

> The Offer would be comprised of new Shares to be issued by the Company and existing shares to be sold by certain existing shareholders, including the Raspberry Pi Foundation, Raspberry Pi's existing majority shareholder.

Re:Raspberry Pi Ltd is considering an IPO by anticensor on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @02:59PM (#40370939)
Are non-profits allowed to own any stock in publicly traded companies in Britain?
Re:Raspberry Pi Ltd is considering an IPO by gchadwick on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @03:08PM (#40371034)
According to this: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/... yes.

Note that the foundation has had a majority stake in RPi ltd (as a private company) for a long time this is not a new structure.

Re:Raspberry Pi Ltd is considering an IPO by londons_explore on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @03:13PM (#40371090)
Yes, but as shareholders they must still act according to their 'purpose', which is a term in UK law that a charity can choose when it is set up as part of its charter, and then every action must be in accordance with.
Re:Raspberry Pi Ltd is considering an IPO by szundi on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @04:04PM (#40371693)
Purpose of spinoff = get dividends to fund the original purpose
Re:Raspberry Pi Ltd is considering an IPO by hgomersall on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @05:23PM (#40372530)
Non profits aren't generally charities.
Re:Raspberry Pi Ltd is considering an IPO by graemep on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @03:08PM (#40371035)
Yes. large non-profits can need to invest a lot of money.
Re:Raspberry Pi Ltd is considering an IPO by Latty on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @09:56AM (#40367017)
Isn't this already how it works? Raspberry Pi Ltd is a different company to the Raspberry Pi Foundation.
Re:Raspberry Pi Ltd is considering an IPO by syarb on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @10:06AM (#40367140)
AFAIK, yep. Jeff Geerling (hi jeff!) has a great video about this. https://youtu.be/hrhE6MnGi1A?si=IeHs2GKYqPjqPXSb&t=305
Re:Raspberry Pi Ltd is considering an IPO by geerlingguy on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @12:08PM (#40368812)
Hello there ;)

I would like to know how much the Pi Foundation would still own—could be an interesting dynamic there. And good for them to be able to use some of that profit for good (they do a lot of neat things for education / STEM).

Re:Raspberry Pi Ltd is considering an IPO by entropicdrifter on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @02:35PM (#40370672)
Hopefully the foundation still controls the majority of votes regardless of the % ownership stake. They do too much good in the world to go full-blown public corpo
Re:Raspberry Pi Ltd is considering an IPO by michaelt on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @11:37AM (#40368354)
> I think a better way would be to keep the foundation and spin off a company that manufactures all of that. Sell 49% of that company in an IPO and keep the majority stake in the foundation. This way they can raise money for expansion while keeping the mission in line.

Ah yes, the OpenAI approach :)

Re:Raspberry Pi Ltd is considering an IPO by torlok on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @02:44PM (#40370774)
What are the economics of buying into a stock that has a 51% stakeholder, and doesn't pay dividends, outside of "line goes up"?

I know this is kind of a standard in tech, but it still eludes me where the value of the stock is.

Re:Raspberry Pi Ltd is considering an IPO by cchance on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @02:47PM (#40370813)
LOL you act like the entire market isn't "line goes up" regardless of 51% or not.

And no its not just tech

Re:Raspberry Pi Ltd is considering an IPO by torlok on Thursday May 16, 2024 @04:15AM (#40376212)
Yes, it's "line goes up", but more in the P/E ratio sense, where the price of the stock doesn't reflect the true value of the company, however outside of tech you can usually reason that there's either dividends being paid, or the stock has a base value because if a comapny performs, and the stock price is low enough, it's worth for a hedge fund to buy it out and take it private. This gives a stock some real value, and company performance has real impact on the price of the stock. In the case of tech comapnies, it's often no dividends, and the owner has 51%, so the stock gives no share of the profits, and no voting power.
Re:Raspberry Pi Ltd is considering an IPO by dukeyukey on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @03:19PM (#40371185)
Raspberry Pi has paid out about $50 million in dividends already to it's parent company.
Re:Raspberry Pi Ltd is considering an IPO by andrewla on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @02:49PM (#40370832)
Traditional answer is that there is future potential that they would issue more stock (to sacrifice their 51% stake) or at some point start to issue dividends.
Re:Raspberry Pi Ltd is considering an IPO by Jolter on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @02:48PM (#40370826)
Why would they not pay dividends?
Re:Raspberry Pi Ltd is considering an IPO by rerdavies on Thursday May 16, 2024 @02:59AM (#40375883)
So they can invest in themselves. The usual reason.
Re:Raspberry Pi Ltd is considering an IPO by vasco on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @06:48PM (#40373316)
Line goes up is the same as dividends. If you genuinely don't know, you can easily find the reason why it's economically the same, while being fiscally more efficient to not emit dividends by doing a quick googling.
Re:Raspberry Pi Ltd is considering an IPO by torlok on Thursday May 16, 2024 @04:27AM (#40376274)
You completely missed the point of the question. They're not the same. Dividends give you a share of the company's profits, thus pay based on company performance. "line goes up" mechanics assume somebody will buy your stock because there's a shared illusion that stocks have value, even though they, in case of tech stock, don't pay dividends, and give no voting rights.
Re:Raspberry Pi Ltd is considering an IPO by vasco on Thursday May 16, 2024 @04:58AM (#40376416)
It is you who missed the point. Google the fiscal difference between dividends or no dividends and you'll understand. There's nothing preventing you from selling exactly as much % shares each quarter as you want to create your own dividend, specially with fractional shares. These days the difference is merely fiscal and people that say "if there's no dividends its all fake" seem to want to portray it as bad when for most people it's way better to let it compound and only sell and trigger taxable events when they want to. I don't see how the board of some company deciding when I have taxable events is an advantage if the company removes the same value of shares from circulation by doing a buyback.

Dividends are just adding financial inefficiency and removing choice from the shareholder.

Re:Raspberry Pi Ltd is considering an IPO by torlok on Thursday May 16, 2024 @05:55AM (#40376677)
Since you're still struggling, I'll try to be as clear as possible. Why does a stock have value if it doesn't give you a share of the company profits, or voting rights?
Re:Raspberry Pi Ltd is considering an IPO by vasco on Thursday May 16, 2024 @06:23AM (#40376798)
You're adding voting rights into the discussion when they are separate from dividends is something I don't understand. You can have voting rights and no dividend.

Regarding the share of the profits I already explained. You have your share of the profits in form of liquid stock that you can decide to sell. It's the same thing.

Re:Raspberry Pi Ltd is considering an IPO by torlok on Thursday May 16, 2024 @06:47AM (#40376916)
The discussion from the beginning was about the value of stocks. Traditionally it's a share of profits in the form of dividends and voting rights. If the stock doesn't pay dividends and the founder has 51%, then you get none of that, so why does the stock have any value. That's the discussion here. Try to read and understand the question before engaging next time.
Re:Raspberry Pi Ltd is considering an IPO by vasco on Thursday May 16, 2024 @07:20AM (#40377071)
You're talking about old things. Its not common anymore for voting rights and dividends to be as intertwined as you say, and you keep ignoring all I said about fiscal differences while telling me to read. Anyway have a nice day was still good to type down our thoughts.
Re:Raspberry Pi Ltd is considering an IPO by StackRanker3000 on Thursday May 16, 2024 @09:47AM (#40378416)
I think you can rephrase the question as “where is the value in owning stock? If it’s only that you hope to sell it to someone else at a higher price later, isn’t it just a pyramid scheme? At least with dividends and voting rights there are clear and tangible benefits apart from speculation”.

And the answer could then be that you’re investing in a company which allows them to grow, and your money with them. Or that you store your money in a medium that hopefully at least keeps up with inflation (especially if you’ve spread the risk). Or just that you’ve taken a gamble and hope that other people will think the stock is worth more at some later point than it was when you bought it.

Re:Raspberry Pi Ltd is considering an IPO by vasco on Thursday May 16, 2024 @10:35AM (#40378992)
It's as much a pyramid scheme as believing the government will buy back your government bonds or backup your dollar. End of the day you always need to believe any asset you own has its valued derived on other people wanting to buy it off of you, if you call that a pyramid scheme then the whole financial system is a pyramid scheme. You probably don't value your car or your laptop or your house as zero just because nobody might want to buy them off of you, while technically true.

You know other people can look at a balance sheet of a company and also judge it's value based on how much it produces and on the expectation of future buybacks that will increase your share's worth. I wouldn't call the absense of dividends the maker of a pyramid scheme.

Re:Raspberry Pi Ltd is considering an IPO by StackRanker3000 on Thursday May 16, 2024 @11:19AM (#40379481)
I agree with you, as indicated by the second paragraph I wrote. I was just paraphrasing and tried to answer what I believe the other person was asking (I’m happy to be corrected if it was not).
Re:Raspberry Pi Ltd is considering an IPO by torlok on Thursday May 16, 2024 @12:55PM (#40380530)
When you buy bonds, the government guarantees it'll buy the bonds back. It's a loan with interest. When you buy a stock that doesn't have any inherent value, due to a lack of tangible benefits of ownership, then you're gambling that somebody in the future will buy it from you for no real reason other than a shared illusion that the piece of paper has a worth, and is somehow tied to comapny performance.

Again, it's the lack of dividends and the lack of any other tangible benefits of owning the stock like voting rights. I feel like you're so far down the "line goes up" rabbit hole of stock trading, that you can't even think clearly about what you're actually buying, and why would anybody buy it from you in the future.

Re:Raspberry Pi Ltd is considering an IPO by vasco on Friday May 17, 2024 @04:58AM (#40387816)
Whoever reads this without knowledge will think voting rights have something to do with dividends and you keep making this wrong assertion.

So as a warning to whoever reads this, do a search for "dual class stocks", and see how many companies sell stock without voting rights as % of any index. Then see how many don't issue dividends. You'll see it's a completely separate subject.

Re:Raspberry Pi Ltd is considering an IPO by StackRanker3000 on Friday May 17, 2024 @07:34AM (#40388748)
I don’t think you’re fully getting what they’re trying to say. They’re not asserting that dividends and voting rights are somehow inextricably linked or that you can’t have one without the other.

They’re simply listing the two things they think actually provide any real value when owning stock, as opposed to ”line goes up”.

In other words, they’re asking why owning stock has actual value. They dismiss ”line goes up”, which only leaves dividends and voting rights. By that logic, if you aren’t paid any dividends and you don’t have voting rights, what is the point of owning the stock, except to gamble? That is what they want to know.

And then I think that what you have been saying, correctly in my opinion, is that ”line goes up” actually does have real value. But no one is trying to claim that dividends and voting rights aren’t separate things.

Re:Raspberry Pi Ltd is considering an IPO by torlok on Thursday May 16, 2024 @01:00PM (#40380604)
Thanks for taking the time to understand my question. It goes without saying that without any tangible value, you're just gambling that somebody will buy a stock from you in the future. I'm wondering if there's some other mechanism at work here that gives these tech stocks value, other than, as you said, basically a pyramid scheme mechanism of buying stocks because somebody with the same "line goes up" mentality will do that in the future and buy us out.
Re:Raspberry Pi Ltd is considering an IPO by szundi on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @04:03PM (#40371679)
I’m not really sure you get what the smell of money does to most people