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Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by int_19h on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @09:17PM (#40362058)
If that is the case, why hasn't Google caught up yet?
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by jacobsimon on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @10:18PM (#40362416)
Is Google significantly behind? I would say from a technological perspective, they're very closely trailing or even surpassing OpenAI in many ways; they've built a formidable ChatGPT competitor in Gemini—not to mention they have a huge home court advantage with billions of people on Search, Chrome, Android, and G Suite. If you zoom out a bit, it's not really a fair fight between the two. More likely, Apple and Microsoft win against Google because they use/buy OpenAI.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by duerra on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @12:01AM (#40362969)
Technical chops has never been Google's problem. Gemini for all the hype Google has thrown at it, has continued the recurring trend of G not knowing how to win with their product launches.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by int_19h on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @03:06AM (#40363940)
When you push either model to its limits, yes, Google is pretty far behind GPT-4 with Gemini.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by mvkel on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @10:57PM (#40362624)
Because their weakness is in focus and execution, not resources.

If they focused all of their energy on, simply, a frontier AI model, and not trying to shoehorn a half-complete model into all of their products, there is no doubt they would be ahead.

But this is the innovator's dilemma, and why it is that startups are the disruptors.

Big companies move slow and lack focus. Small companies move fast and can only focus on one thing.

Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by miki123211 on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @12:02AM (#40362983)
and politics, although they seem to have woken up (no pun intended) and started de-politicizing.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by nunez on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @09:43PM (#40362204)
Because Google is huge. Presumably the same reason why Microsoft finds it easier to shovel billions into OpenAI instead of doing it in-house.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by paulpan on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @10:13PM (#40362380)
Wrong leadership at every level: Sundar as CEO, Prabhakar as Search SVP, Sissie as Assistant/Gemini VP. Maybe they should hire Ilya instead?
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by whimsicalism on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @09:49PM (#40362245)
my guess is that a significantly underrated reason is that Google holds itself to stricter data compliance standards than OAI
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by elphinstone on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @09:59PM (#40362305)
That is openly laughable. Incognito mode claims, just one of a long list of examples of this politicized monopoly engaging in criminal behavior.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by whimsicalism on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @10:54PM (#40362607)
I don’t think that’s a fair take nor does it really disprove mine.

The compliance regime at big corps is definitely more sophisticated than at a player like OAI

Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by astrange on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @04:29AM (#40364460)
Cynicism is just giving yourself an excuse to be wrong because it sounds cooler.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by gnarbarian on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @09:40PM (#40362188)
Google is ideologically compromised which ties them into knots and creates endless internal struggles.

this led to the release of Gemini which was absurdly biased when viewed by the typical American.

Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by Barrin92 on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @09:40PM (#40362186)
probably because they have identified (correctly) that slowly integrating AI into their existing products that make them hundreds of billions is smarter than just burning that money to get upvoted on HN. Tall trees catch too much wind, ancient Chinese proverb. If you can afford to being second is usually less painful than being first.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by A4ET8a8uTh0 on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @10:58PM (#40362629)
There are clear advantages and disadvantages to that approach, but assuming this is the correct choice ( seems plausible, but I am not automatically convinced ), is that the actual reason for being as behind as they are?

I would argue that is not the case. I won't re-list some of the reasons other posters mentioned, which, based on past year, appear more likely ( decisions hamstrung by corporate committees, data governance bureaucracy, and last, but not least, ideology focus ). Leadership that is actually focused on 'delivering value to the shareholder' or not being worried about first mover advantage seems only a part of it.

edit: added first mover wording