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Re:The surging demand for data is guzzling Virginia's water by jedberg on Friday May 10, 2024 @01:22PM (#40321486)
We really need to figure out ways to get big fat data pipes to places that are naturally cold. Like imagine if we could get big pipes to Antarctica and then build data centers there. Plenty of fresh water and cold enough that you could almost just cool it with outside air, and you can exhaust the water right back outside to freeze back up. You could also use the exhaust heat to warm up the living spaces nearby.

The only question would be, would it create so much heat in one spot that it would actually warm up the environment too much?

The main thing stopping this now is lack of high throughput low latency data to the continent.

Re:The surging demand for data is guzzling Virginia's water by bell-cot on Friday May 10, 2024 @01:30PM (#40321573)
Minor detail: The myriad megajoules of heat which any major DC has got to breathe out...were previously inhaled as electrical energy. And multi-megawatt electrical service is quite difficult to source in most extremely cold places.
Re:The surging demand for data is guzzling Virginia's water by Scoundreller on Friday May 10, 2024 @02:37PM (#40322377)
While not “extremely” cold, Quebec’s hydroelectric dams are mostly in the central/north of the province. I think Norway is similar to the point where electricity pricing is a lot cheaper in the north because of limited transmission capacity.

Both would be better choices than Virginia.

Re:The surging demand for data is guzzling Virginia's water by jedberg on Friday May 10, 2024 @01:49PM (#40321805)
You could use solar panels for 1/2 the year and wind all year. Some stations are doing that today.

But yes, this is a major concern. A few modern nuclear plants would solve the problem, but you'd have to build them. It wouldn't be cheap.

Re:The surging demand for data is guzzling Virginia's water by AS37 on Friday May 10, 2024 @01:42PM (#40321716)
> The only question would be, would it create so much heat in one spot that it would actually warm up the environment too much?

Probably not at a large scale, although similar situations have led to odd headlines like 'Florida's manatees are addicted to power plants'.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20240328-floridas-manatee...

Re:The surging demand for data is guzzling Virginia's water by Dove on Friday May 10, 2024 @01:55PM (#40321865)
Building on permafrost is actually tricky with just residential levels of heat - houses are sometimes built on stilts in order to avoid melting the ground under them and making it unstable.

But I like where your head is at. Maybe an offshore platform? Alternatively, there are lots of places that aren't permafrost-cold which are nonetheless quite cool underground year round. I wonder how big a geothermal system would have to be to be an effective heat sink for a data center.

Re:The surging demand for data is guzzling Virginia's water by Dove on Friday May 10, 2024 @02:06PM (#40321993)
> I wonder how big a geothermal system would have to be to be an effective heat sink for a data center.

Ah. 500 feet of pipe per 3.5 kW. That might be why they don't do it that way. XD

Re:The surging demand for data is guzzling Virginia's water by Dove on Friday May 10, 2024 @02:08PM (#40322028)
Oh! Or when they do, it involves a 35 acre lake.

https://betterbuildingssolutioncenter.energy.gov/showcase-pr...

Re:The surging demand for data is guzzling Virginia's water by Scoundreller on Friday May 10, 2024 @02:44PM (#40322453)
Or a 7000 acre reservoir for a nuclear plant: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Texas_Nuclear_Generati...
Re:The surging demand for data is guzzling Virginia's water by jmclnx on Friday May 10, 2024 @01:39PM (#40321672)
>The only question would be, would it create so much heat in one spot that it would actually warm up the environment too much?

I doubt it, the bigger issue would be Global Warming, but

What you said makes sense on paper, but the center will sink into the ice quickly. I remember reading that a base down there had to be moved due to it sinking.

Re:The surging demand for data is guzzling Virginia's water by dscottboggs on Friday May 10, 2024 @01:36PM (#40321648)
Isn't Antarctica melting already? We need to slow down damn it.
Re:The surging demand for data is guzzling Virginia's water by giantg2 on Friday May 10, 2024 @02:03PM (#40321958)
Microsoft is already working on undersea data centers.

I assume some sort of geothermal(including water based) could be used in many regions already.

Re:The surging demand for data is guzzling Virginia's water by MrLeap on Friday May 10, 2024 @01:30PM (#40321566)
This is how the first chapter would start in a book where somebody builds a death ray in Antarctica.
Re:The surging demand for data is guzzling Virginia's water by ck2 on Friday May 10, 2024 @01:50PM (#40321819)
Re:The surging demand for data is guzzling Virginia's water by jedberg on Friday May 10, 2024 @01:54PM (#40321852)
Yes, but saltwater is very corrosive. Also they were hard to get to. A datacenter in the arctic regions would at least be accessible -- you could build attached housing and heat it with waste heat.
Re:The surging demand for data is guzzling Virginia's water by Scoundreller on Friday May 10, 2024 @02:51PM (#40322545)
Lake Ontario has 4C water year round not far from shore.

Just need a big enough and deep enough lake in a temperate climate.

Not sure when all that added heat becomes a problem, but it’s gotta get dumped somewhere.

Re:The surging demand for data is guzzling Virginia's water by ck2 on Friday May 10, 2024 @02:29PM (#40322291)
Building things on permafrost always ends badly, that is huge problem in Alaska where they have to constantly re-level buildings and build things on pylons.