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Re:Stack Overflow users deleting answers after OpenAI partne... by theteapot on Wednesday May 08, 2024 @09:25PM (#40304356)
Good for you. I'm not. I contributed answers to StackOverflow because I use answers other have contributed to StackOverflow, not to ChatGPT, not for ChatGPT to monetize. I don't use ChatGPT and probably never will.
Re:Stack Overflow users deleting answers after OpenAI partne... by sp332 on Wednesday May 08, 2024 @09:32PM (#40304402)
But the content you posted to SO was already permissively licensed. Other people can copy it, and make derivative works, and even charge money for them, as long as they cite your SO handle as the author. https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/347758/creative-com...
Re:Stack Overflow users deleting answers after OpenAI partne... by gtirloni on Wednesday May 08, 2024 @09:39PM (#40304452)
ChatGPT is not citing anything. It can't possibly do that reliably with LLM weights alone.
Re:Stack Overflow users deleting answers after OpenAI partne... by nox101 on Thursday May 09, 2024 @12:35AM (#40305332)
(1) The announcement (https://stackoverflow.co/company/press/archive/openai-partne...) says things will be attributed in both the 2nd and 3rd paragraph

(2) It's only likely to attribute if it quotes verbatim... Just like a human. when I tell someone I learned that Array.map's second parameter passed to the callback is an index to the value just pass, I don't add "And learned this on Stack Overflow from user gtriloni". It's just knowledge that I learned.

The only time I'd attribute is if copied a snippet of code or a paragraph to quote in a blog post. For me at least, that almost never happens. It take the knowledge I learned and apply it to my own code. It's rare if ever there is a something on S.O. so useful that I copy it verbatim.

Re:Stack Overflow users deleting answers after OpenAI partne... by anileated on Thursday May 09, 2024 @02:42AM (#40305869)
> Just like a human

An LLM is not a human. It is a tool operated by a, in this case, for profit entity. It has no human rights, but its operator has all relevant legal obligations.

If it was, as you say, “just like a human” in relevant ways (think, feel, have self-awareness, etc.) then it would effectively be a slave subjected to extreme abuse.

Either it is a tool that generates derivative works at mass scale for profit and its operator should be liable for licensing/attribution violations, or it is a conscious being and we should immediately stop abusing it. Pick your poison.

Re:Stack Overflow users deleting answers after OpenAI partne... by mesid on Thursday May 09, 2024 @03:38AM (#40306119)
Doesn't Phind do this? It cites sources in its responses.
Re:Stack Overflow users deleting answers after OpenAI partne... by thinkling on Thursday May 09, 2024 @06:40PM (#40313667)
Bing's version of ChatGPT/GPT4 cites sources. My limited unterstanding is that it uses your question to do a web search, brings the results into the context window, and then generates an answer that cites sources.

OpenAI could integrate StackOverflow the same way.

Re:Stack Overflow users deleting answers after OpenAI partne... by scubbo on Thursday May 09, 2024 @12:58AM (#40305433)
"The person you are upset with is technically permitted to do the thing that you are upset about" is not a good counter-argument to someone's distaste. Whether or not the licensing agreement _permits_ this usage, it is not the usage that the contributor (to whom you are replying) foresaw and was enthusiastic about.
Re:Stack Overflow users deleting answers after OpenAI partne... by sp332 on Thursday May 09, 2024 @01:26AM (#40305526)
I'm not telling them how to feel. They've been wrong for a long time.
Re:Stack Overflow users deleting answers after OpenAI partne... by random_cynic on Wednesday May 08, 2024 @10:17PM (#40304632)
Unfortunately, you don't have any say on this matter since SO content is under a very permissive license (and has been for a very long time). Gatekeepers like you need to find another platform where you can fade into oblivion without bothering the remaining population.
Re:Stack Overflow users deleting answers after OpenAI partne... by paulryanrogers on Wednesday May 08, 2024 @10:55PM (#40304855)
Name calling and dismissive responses aren't going to win anyone over.

Please be more considerate.

Re:Stack Overflow users deleting answers after OpenAI partne... by Der_Einzige on Wednesday May 08, 2024 @11:48PM (#40305141)
Not true. Both are legitimate tactics with lots of rhetorical power. I’m glad that the OP used such language and HN is better for it.

Sometimes idiots need to be told their idiots, and gatekeepers need to know that they are not welcome in our community.

Re:Stack Overflow users deleting answers after OpenAI partne... by forgetfreeman on Thursday May 09, 2024 @12:04AM (#40305210)
One generally doesn't have to lean into phrases like "legitimate tactics" and "rhetorical power" when they've got the moral, ethical, or intellectual high ground. Telling people they're idiots is about the most counter-productive single strategy for addressing human stupidity ever conceived. 1. they won't believe you 2. they'll ignore everything else you have to say because you're a dick. So the real question is, who hurt you?
Re:Stack Overflow users deleting answers after OpenAI partne... by xwowsersx on Thursday May 09, 2024 @12:31AM (#40305320)
@dang Many individuals in this thread seem to require a gentle reminder regarding the expected etiquette on HN. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
Re:Stack Overflow users deleting answers after OpenAI partne... by Der_Einzige on Thursday May 09, 2024 @02:03AM (#40305684)
Dang is a bad admin and it would be best if HN were ran by someone else. Trying to call for daddy to do your work for you is pathetic to witness. You don’t need to play tattle-tale.

HNs guidelines are in sore need of being rewritten.

Re:Stack Overflow users deleting answers after OpenAI partne... by forgetfreeman on Thursday May 09, 2024 @12:01AM (#40305197)
Oh your cheerleading here is going to age like milk when unemployment numbers start ramping up in white collar sectors. For the record, when construction and industrial jobs got deleted the chorus line was "retrain for service industry work". When service industry and white collar jobs really start getting the same treatment, what's the move now? We're literally running out of economic sectors to pretend folks can be funneled into.
Re:Stack Overflow users deleting answers after OpenAI partne... by coliveira on Thursday May 09, 2024 @12:10AM (#40305235)
All of this would be fine if the wealth were shared by the population. The big problem is that wealth is concentrated and only a small group will benefit from these technology shifts.
Re:Stack Overflow users deleting answers after OpenAI partne... by forgetfreeman on Thursday May 09, 2024 @05:48AM (#40306623)
It's weird how our species has had evergreen problems around resource allocation for at least the last few thousand years.
Re:Stack Overflow users deleting answers after OpenAI partne... by CamperBob2 on Thursday May 09, 2024 @01:10AM (#40305481)
Oh your cheerleading here is going to age like milk when unemployment numbers start ramping up in white collar sectors.

You don't seem to understand that this is the goal. A very worthy one.

We won't get to a post-scarcity economy by doing the same things -- and the same jobs -- that got us this far.

Re:Stack Overflow users deleting answers after OpenAI partne... by forgetfreeman on Thursday May 09, 2024 @05:50AM (#40306630)
You what now? You think AI is the path to luxury space communism? I'm missing the part where the 0.1% that owns and controls basically everything shrug and lean into redistribution of wealth...
Re:Stack Overflow users deleting answers after OpenAI partne... by throwanem on Thursday May 09, 2024 @01:28AM (#40305538)
They'll tell us to retrain for construction and heavy industry.
Re:Stack Overflow users deleting answers after OpenAI partne... by theteapot on Wednesday May 08, 2024 @10:34PM (#40304724)
I think you're projecting something. Oblivion awaits you as it awaits these Gatekeepers of yours.