Re:Are You an Anarchist? The Answer May Surprise You by Davi...
by sumtechguy on Wednesday May 08, 2024 @08:29AM
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You do not have to wait for food to run out. There is always 'that one guy trying to ice skate uphill'. They test the limits on everything and do not care about others at all. It only takes one jerk to ruin a party. I know at least 4 people like this, probably more (they hide it better). They would rob you in a heartbeat if they could get away with it and even if they cant. But in general they seem nice and happy and stable. The reality is they just do not want to get caught.
Re:Are You an Anarchist? The Answer May Surprise You by Davi...
by toyg on Wednesday May 08, 2024 @09:48AM
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Evolutionarily, you probably want those types too. An orderly tribe might get slaughtered by some unforeseen situation that they try to fight together; whereas the individualist "I don't give a shit" type might just run away - and let his genes survive. Same in situations of starvation: the DGAS types will lie and cheat to get a bit more of this and a bit more of that, ensuring the survival of their genepool - whereas the meek will probably die out.
Evolution is not a dinner party, to misquote a certain Chinese guy.
Re:Are You an Anarchist? The Answer May Surprise You by Davi...
by Synaesthesia on Wednesday May 08, 2024 @08:36AM
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Actually in times of crisis and war communities tend to bond together.
Re:Are You an Anarchist? The Answer May Surprise You by Davi...
by paxys on Wednesday May 08, 2024 @09:08AM
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Yeah, we totally saw that during Covid...
Re:Are You an Anarchist? The Answer May Surprise You by Davi...
by izacus on Wednesday May 08, 2024 @09:43AM
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We absolutely saw that in pretty much every crisis and wartime studied.
And yes, even in COVID times people banded together across countries to help each other.
Re:Are You an Anarchist? The Answer May Surprise You by Davi...
by pookha on Wednesday May 08, 2024 @09:44AM
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LOL. I got screamed at by a lunatic because my three year olds trainrobber bandana wasn't covering her nose. Banding together has caveats.
Re:Are You an Anarchist? The Answer May Surprise You by Davi...
by beaeglebeachh on Wednesday May 08, 2024 @10:24AM
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Yep first thing that happened was shitcan the kids. They knew kids had very little relative risk but the argument was it's worth them losing an education, you don't want Grandma to die do you?
Re:Are You an Anarchist? The Answer May Surprise You by Davi...
by wahnfrieden on Wednesday May 08, 2024 @08:36AM
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Dawn of Everything has possible examples of that
Btw anarchy is quite new. You may learn from eg Zapatistas or Rojave but these are anarchy adjacent
Re:Are You an Anarchist? The Answer May Surprise You by Davi...
by beaeglebeachh on Wednesday May 08, 2024 @08:59AM
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I lived in Rojava and they are quite capitalist outside a few sectors. Go someplace like qamislo and it's basically capitalism with street vendors and stark disparity of wealth and poverty. However you can get free bread by simply appearing at a few stalls.
The socialist (leftwing anarchism adjacent), mustache-jesus ("apo") stuff is far more revered in the military and certain communes.
Re:Are You an Anarchist? The Answer May Surprise You by Davi...
by wahnfrieden on Friday May 10, 2024 @02:22PM
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Thx for the perspective
Re:Are You an Anarchist? The Answer May Surprise You by Davi...
by FranzFerdiNaN on Wednesday May 08, 2024 @08:34AM
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This is completely untrue though. Yes, some people are and will continue to be complete assholes who will take advantage of any kind of situation, but pretty much all evidence point towards people banding together and helping each other in times of crises.
Its corporations and billionaires and dictators being able to mobilize massive amounts of wealth and/or people that lead to terrible outcomes. So anarchists are completely correct: their tenets reduced to the simple slogan of 'no gods, no masters' is the only fundamentally correct ideology.
Put a group of mentally stable people together in a safe, hospitable community with unlimited resources and yes the theory will probably hold true.
But what happens when the food runs out? If there's a natural disaster? A plague? Some other crisis? What if they get invaded by a neighboring tribe whose intentions aren't so great?
That's the true test of anarchy, and humans have shown throughout history that they soundly fail it.