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Re:Spotify moves lyrics behind a paywall by 999900000999 on Thursday May 02, 2024 @02:33PM (#40239831)
YouTube music comes with ad free YouTube. I'm amazed Spotify is still around. You have Apple baking a music subscription into the OS.
Re:Spotify moves lyrics behind a paywall by cj on Thursday May 02, 2024 @02:55PM (#40240092)
Services like Spotify will probably be around forever unless there’s easy ways to migrate playlists and “loved/liked” songs between platforms.

1st world problems, but I’m paying for Apple Music since my running playlists are on there (Spotify didn’t support offline on Apple Watch at the time) and most of my other playlists are on Spotify. I’ll probably pay for both forever for lack of time to consolidate.

Same with streaming services, sadly.

Re:Spotify moves lyrics behind a paywall by ldayley on Thursday May 02, 2024 @02:58PM (#40240142)
There are web/mobile apps that can handle the playlist/“liked” songs migrations, but I don’t think they’re widely known.
Re:Spotify moves lyrics behind a paywall by bravetraveler on Thursday May 02, 2024 @03:07PM (#40240240)
I forget the service now, and I'm reluctant to advertise anyway, but it's fairly common for third parties to glue the APIs together. Deezer directly partnered with one of these services, but I found them independently beforehand
Re:Spotify moves lyrics behind a paywall by swyx on Thursday May 02, 2024 @02:59PM (#40240143)
playlists age. you'll be surprised how easy it is to build those things back up again on youtube. spotify's "moat" isnt as big as it thinks it is and i hope they get a sharp wakeup call.
Re:Spotify moves lyrics behind a paywall by sedatk on Thursday May 02, 2024 @03:04PM (#40240204)
There are free online tools for migration.
Re:Spotify moves lyrics behind a paywall by piva00 on Thursday May 02, 2024 @03:16PM (#40240320)
There are many services that allow migrating between music streaming services.
Re:Spotify moves lyrics behind a paywall by ldayley on Thursday May 02, 2024 @02:54PM (#40240077)
As a part-time working musician I also wonder about this because they aren’t very artist-friendly, either.

Their discovery-specific algos/UX are ok, but I think becoming the global de-facto music/audio-specific social network is their biggest moat. It’s been so tough to replicate that apple/google/amazon have yet to make much of a dent despite spotify’s actively hostile UX and practices.

Edited to add: Music generes and fandoms have always been tribes and spotify was the first to capitalize on that aspect of music culture. Other companies approached their products in a “building a “digital CD-vinyl collection” kinda way, but there are few network effects in that.

Re:Spotify moves lyrics behind a paywall by sedatk on Thursday May 02, 2024 @03:24PM (#40240418)
Youtube Music’s greatest strength is its greatest weakness: integration with Youtube. That means the videos you like become part of your music profile even if your reasons for liking them unrelated to the music. It messes up your profile quickly.
Re:Spotify moves lyrics behind a paywall by Gigachad on Thursday May 02, 2024 @07:29PM (#40242486)
I pay for YouTube premium and Spotify because YouTube music is just that bad.
Re:Spotify moves lyrics behind a paywall by GaryNumanVevo on Friday May 03, 2024 @06:27AM (#40246102)
YouTube music has a lot of music that would never be able to put on Spotify. A lot of one-off punk albums from the 80s, DJ / house music sets, B-sides, live recordings etc.
Re:Spotify moves lyrics behind a paywall by crtasm on Friday May 03, 2024 @01:34PM (#40250173)
Isn't all that just on regular Youtube..?
Re:Spotify moves lyrics behind a paywall by gosub100 on Sunday May 05, 2024 @03:57PM (#40267700)
Not all the liked videos, just musical ones.
Re:Spotify moves lyrics behind a paywall by relyks on Thursday May 02, 2024 @02:42PM (#40239936)
Spotify still has the best discovery features
Re:Spotify moves lyrics behind a paywall by slothtrop on Thursday May 02, 2024 @02:48PM (#40240006)
Relative to yt, but the best discovery features are outside of either.
Re:Spotify moves lyrics behind a paywall by umbra07 on Thursday May 02, 2024 @02:51PM (#40240033)
what other streaming service do you think has a better algo? Spotify is leagues above AM, Deezer, Qobuz, etc.
Re:Spotify moves lyrics behind a paywall by bendhoefs on Thursday May 02, 2024 @03:05PM (#40240213)
Bandcamp and RYM.
Re:Spotify moves lyrics behind a paywall by slothtrop on Friday May 03, 2024 @11:34AM (#40248865)
I wasn't thinking of streaming services, but communities and websites. Also, Bandcamp (which does have streaming but I don't think of it as that primarily)
Re:Spotify moves lyrics behind a paywall by rightbyte on Thursday May 02, 2024 @02:51PM (#40240027)
Any tips?
Re:Spotify moves lyrics behind a paywall by slothtrop on Friday May 03, 2024 @11:34AM (#40248869)
Depends on what sort of music you're into
Re:Spotify moves lyrics behind a paywall by rightbyte on Friday May 03, 2024 @03:10PM (#40251163)
Punk and what ppl usually like. I thought such a recommendation engine would be quite taste agnostic anyways?
Re:Spotify moves lyrics behind a paywall by 0x0000000 on Thursday May 02, 2024 @03:13PM (#40240300)
YouTube Music was better when it was Google Play Music, before they tried being a Spotify clone.
Re:Spotify moves lyrics behind a paywall by pleb_nz on Thursday May 02, 2024 @03:17PM (#40240346)
It’s still a good option, maybe not the best. No ads on youtube in and off its self is worth it. Especially when you have kids and you don't want them blasted with every ad under the sun every few minutes.
Re:Spotify moves lyrics behind a paywall by fullshark on Thursday May 02, 2024 @03:03PM (#40240193)
I find YouTube Music to be both better (larger library) and worse (less curation).
Re:Spotify moves lyrics behind a paywall by 999900000999 on Thursday May 02, 2024 @03:07PM (#40240245)
I find music via other means, I go to tons of concerts, etc.

Spotify was just first. But I think there's a lot of momentum here, most people don't like changing their habits after all.

Re:Spotify moves lyrics behind a paywall by eddd-ddde on Thursday May 02, 2024 @03:12PM (#40240277)
Pretty sure it doesn't. I have a family YouTube music plan. If I want ad-free YouTube that's an extra payment for YouTube premium.
Re:Spotify moves lyrics behind a paywall by bdcravens on Thursday May 02, 2024 @03:14PM (#40240303)
I think they meant that YouTube Premium includes YouTube Music.
Re:Spotify moves lyrics behind a paywall by bdcravens on Thursday May 02, 2024 @03:16PM (#40240327)
Spotify integrates well with Alexa, and "Alexa, play Immigrant Song" is a primary use case.
Re:Spotify moves lyrics behind a paywall by stvltvs on Thursday May 02, 2024 @03:00PM (#40240164)
Do they include audiobooks too? Spotify seems to have upped their audiobook game lately.
Re:Spotify moves lyrics behind a paywall by piva00 on Thursday May 02, 2024 @02:48PM (#40240007)
If both of these options exist and Spotify still grows in subscribers each quarter probably it has the best product for a larger share of potential consumers?

That's how some products exist even with competitors price dumping against them.

Re:Spotify moves lyrics behind a paywall by neves on Thursday May 02, 2024 @02:55PM (#40240091)
I just use Spotify for its network effect. My friends and sites all send links to Spotify.

YTM is a lot better to allow you to upload your music.

Deezer has a better algorithm

Re:Spotify moves lyrics behind a paywall by distances on Thursday May 02, 2024 @05:03PM (#40241354)
Spotify is still cheaper for two people with the Duo plan. Add the Jam functionality and shared playlists for social events (since about everyone has Spotify already). And then add stuff like a Linux desktop app with MPRIS command support and Spotify Connect for portable speakers.

At that point I notice the Spotify moat is actually quite substantial in my use case and switching to another service is pretty much out of the question.