Re:Astronauts could run round 'Wall of Death' to keep fit on...
by PebblesHD on Thursday May 02, 2024 @04:08AM
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Only a little disappointed the header video isn’t Colin Furze’s wall of death built out of pallets. Still, using the lower gravity to your advantage without requiring mechanical leverage is a very cost and energy efficient approach to enabling exercise.
Re:Astronauts could run round 'Wall of Death' to keep fit on...
by Smaug123 on Thursday May 02, 2024 @07:11AM
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Yes: on Earth I imagine this isn't possible (the required centrifugal force to generate the friction needs you to be travelling much faster than a human can run), though I haven't done any calculations.
Re:Astronauts could run round 'Wall of Death' to keep fit on...
by Karellen on Thursday May 02, 2024 @07:51AM
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> on Earth I imagine this isn't possible
Only if you use a vertical wall as the "floor".
If you set the "floor" at, say, 45deg, and then spin the centrifuge up enough so that the floor feels level, you could practice running at √2g (~1.4g). Then vary the floor angle and centrifuge speed for various g levels while running on what feels like a level surface.
Re:Astronauts could run round 'Wall of Death' to keep fit on...
by amarant on Thursday May 02, 2024 @04:44AM
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This is pretty cool, but what really excites me is the possibility of inventing entirely new sports that only work in low gravity.
Now, I'm an adrenaline junkie myself, so it might be best if I leave the actual inventing of those sorts to someone else. Most of my ideas come with rather high risk of injury, which might not be great when you're on the moon
Re:Astronauts could run round 'Wall of Death' to keep fit on...
by foreigner on Thursday May 02, 2024 @06:12AM
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Flying with wings strapped to your arms! Not outside on the moon of course, but could maybe work in a cave or building pumped full of air. I remember reading about that in some scifi novel long ago.
Re:Astronauts could run round 'Wall of Death' to keep fit on...
by amarant on Thursday May 02, 2024 @09:39AM
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Randall Munroe did a what-if entry about swimming pools on the moon, and swim-jumping would be wild. If you have fins, you could do dolphin jumps several meters above the water!
One of my probably-not-safe-enough ideas was to combine underwater rugby with above water rugby, and perhaps even aerial rugby! A couple of strategically placed moderately sized fans in an indoor sports hall, where part of the floor is a deep pool and part is not(or perhaps with floating platforms in the pool?) a goal on each end of the field and a mixture of players: some with fins, and others with wings
I mean tackling eachother will probably be good at keeping bone density high, though I'm not sure how hard it is to treat a probably inevitable fracture on the moon?
Re:Astronauts could run round 'Wall of Death' to keep fit on...
by bspammer on Thursday May 02, 2024 @04:51AM
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It doesn't even require creativity - I think many existing sports would be fun in low gravity. Basketball with extremely tall hoops. Tennis on a massive court. Not to mention golf.
Re:Astronauts could run round 'Wall of Death' to keep fit on...
by amarant on Thursday May 02, 2024 @05:04AM
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Well, running on a flat surface is kinda hard in low g, so I guess you'd have to make some adjustments for that. But yeah basketball where players jump to the ceiling and then push of from the ceiling towards the floor could be quite crazy.
I'm kinda thinking handball would be insane, tho I wouldn't wanna be the goalie
Re:Astronauts could run round 'Wall of Death' to keep fit on...
by richardw on Thursday May 02, 2024 @04:49AM
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Couldn’t they use a heavy weighted outfit? Add a couple hundred kg of gear and you’d get a solid workout on the same plane. Feels like you could make a treadmill that is smaller than the wall of death.
Re:Astronauts could run round 'Wall of Death' to keep fit on...
by freilanzer on Thursday May 02, 2024 @08:00AM
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Why not use a harness with resistance cables that you can hook up in different directions or a bar. This way pull ups, dead lifts, etc. would be possible.
Re:Astronauts could run round 'Wall of Death' to keep fit on...
by Luc on Thursday May 02, 2024 @05:00AM
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> “Blood flow restriction exercise has been shown in studies on Earth to give similar muscle, bone and cardiorespiratory training benefits normally seen during higher intensity exercise, at much lower exercise intensities and durations,” Caplan said.
Interesting, where can I learn more about putting this into practice?
I wonder if it is related to 'voodoo flossing tape', which is latex tape that is tightly wound around an injured joint. After exercising the tape is removed and this somehow seems to aid in healing, though it's not clear how it works.
Re:Astronauts could run round 'Wall of Death' to keep fit on...
by explodingman on Thursday May 02, 2024 @05:59AM
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I’ve read of a Japanese body building practice that involves using a blood pressure cuff to restrict the dispersal of blood. The muscle marinates in its metabolic waste, which has an anabolic effect. Don’t know what they do for muscles in the torso.
Re:Astronauts could run round 'Wall of Death' to keep fit on...
by rob74 on Thursday May 02, 2024 @06:24AM
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> Don’t know what they do for muscles in the torso.
Nothing, I guess? All the articles I have found only refer to arms and legs. Restricting blood flow in the torso would be difficult (not to mention pretty dangerous), so the method probably can't be applied there...
Re:Astronauts could run round 'Wall of Death' to keep fit on...
by bbarnett on Thursday May 02, 2024 @08:18AM
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Immediately a new startup emerges, with wirelessly controlled shunts in arteries, controlled by smart phones, for this very purpose. During a PST timezone change bug, all the founders and initial investors die at the precise same time, where the shunts activate for one hour as they slumber.
Re:Astronauts could run round 'Wall of Death' to keep fit on...
by quitit on Thursday May 02, 2024 @08:00AM
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Searching for BFR will uncover resources for this style of exercise as it's common in physiotherapy and bodybuilding.
Just a note though: avoid the bodybuilding "bro science", there is an established method to calibrating BFR that doesn't merely involve putting wraps around the arm or leg and hoping for the best. The main harm is cutting off too much blood flow by using a cuff that is either on for too long or can gather in a way that progressively cuts off circulation during the movement.
The core advantage of BFR is one can use a lighter weight to achieve similar results, which can improve the surrounding conditions of your limbs (joints/tendons), it is no less tiring or strenuous(on the muscle) than regular exercise.
Re:Astronauts could run round 'Wall of Death' to keep fit on...
by StevenWaterman on Thursday May 02, 2024 @06:30AM
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Wouldn't a cone work better, so that your normal force is perpendicular to the surface that you're running on? You'd have to calibrate the angle of the cone to a specific running speed, but other than that, it seems like a cone would be much easier to use.
Is the novelty of us that it's sideways?
Only if you use a vertical wall as the "floor".
If you set the "floor" at, say, 45deg, and then spin the centrifuge up enough so that the floor feels level, you could practice running at √2g (~1.4g). Then vary the floor angle and centrifuge speed for various g levels while running on what feels like a level surface.
Now, I'm an adrenaline junkie myself, so it might be best if I leave the actual inventing of those sorts to someone else. Most of my ideas come with rather high risk of injury, which might not be great when you're on the moon
One of my probably-not-safe-enough ideas was to combine underwater rugby with above water rugby, and perhaps even aerial rugby! A couple of strategically placed moderately sized fans in an indoor sports hall, where part of the floor is a deep pool and part is not(or perhaps with floating platforms in the pool?) a goal on each end of the field and a mixture of players: some with fins, and others with wings
I mean tackling eachother will probably be good at keeping bone density high, though I'm not sure how hard it is to treat a probably inevitable fracture on the moon?
Alternatively, in "Rendesvousz With Rama", he envisioned a human-powered flying bike. IIRC, a foldable sports bike with wings and a propeller.
I'm kinda thinking handball would be insane, tho I wouldn't wanna be the goalie
The line between those 2 is surprisingly thin!
And I think they already do treadmill sessions with elastic bands to simulate weight on the ISS. I guess it is already a default for a moon base.
Interesting, where can I learn more about putting this into practice?
I wonder if it is related to 'voodoo flossing tape', which is latex tape that is tightly wound around an injured joint. After exercising the tape is removed and this somehow seems to aid in healing, though it's not clear how it works.
https://www.outsideonline.com/health/running/you-should-prob...
Nothing, I guess? All the articles I have found only refer to arms and legs. Restricting blood flow in the torso would be difficult (not to mention pretty dangerous), so the method probably can't be applied there...
Just a note though: avoid the bodybuilding "bro science", there is an established method to calibrating BFR that doesn't merely involve putting wraps around the arm or leg and hoping for the best. The main harm is cutting off too much blood flow by using a cuff that is either on for too long or can gather in a way that progressively cuts off circulation during the movement.
The core advantage of BFR is one can use a lighter weight to achieve similar results, which can improve the surrounding conditions of your limbs (joints/tendons), it is no less tiring or strenuous(on the muscle) than regular exercise.
It would also allow you to stop safely!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qctNreP3J0w
Kubrick ghost is going to haunt this guy. That's literally a smaller version of the giant ring in 2001.