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Re:TSMC unveils 1.6nm process technology with backside power... by Rinzler89 on Thursday April 25, 2024 @11:04AM (#40158440)
>It is my understanding that only ASML had cracked the EUV litography

Ackshually, EUV was cracked by Sandia Labs research in the US, with EUV light sources built by Cymer in the US. ASML was the only one allowed to license the tech and integrate it into their steppers after they bough Cymer in 2013. Hence why US has veto rights to whom Dutch based ASML can sell their EUV steppers to, as in not to China, despite ow much ASML shareholders would like that extra Chinese money.

Re:TSMC unveils 1.6nm process technology with backside power... by ano-ther on Thursday April 25, 2024 @11:34AM (#40158788)
Re:TSMC unveils 1.6nm process technology with backside power... by EMCymatics on Thursday April 25, 2024 @01:09PM (#40160196)
Thanks for the source. I'm glad Bell labs pounced on the opportunity.
Re:TSMC unveils 1.6nm process technology with backside power... by oivey on Thursday April 25, 2024 @01:40PM (#40160668)
Pretty cool story of the National Lab system and the closest thing the US has to “government scientists” massively shaping the future.
Re:TSMC unveils 1.6nm process technology with backside power... by s3p on Thursday April 25, 2024 @11:53AM (#40159028)
They don't need anyone else's money. Intel has bought all of TSMC's EUV and High-NA EUV machines for the next several years.
Re:TSMC unveils 1.6nm process technology with backside power... by Rinzler89 on Thursday April 25, 2024 @12:12PM (#40159349)
>They don't need anyone else's money

There's no such thing in capitalism. Limited supply semi is(was) a bidding war, where China had a blank cheque and was willing to outbid everyone else to secure semi manufacturing supremacy.

Do you think Intel or TSMC could have scored all that ASML supply at that price if China would have been allowed to bid as well? ASML would have been able to score way higher market prices per stepper had China been allowed in the game, and therefore higher profits.

Do you think ASML shareholders hate higher profits or what? Nvidia sure didn't during the pandemic. You wanted a GPU? Great, it would cost you now 2x-3x the original MSRP because free market capitalism and the laws of supply and demand.

Re:TSMC unveils 1.6nm process technology with backside power... by saganus on Thursday April 25, 2024 @01:42PM (#40160693)
Did not know that. Thanks
Re:TSMC unveils 1.6nm process technology with backside power... by ahartmetz on Thursday April 25, 2024 @03:02PM (#40161650)
>EUV was cracked

More like it was started. There were a ton of gnarly problems left that took over ten years and billions of € to solve.

Producing a few flashes of EUV and getting a few photons on the target is relatively easy. Producing a lot of EUV for a long time and getting a significant fraction (...like 1%) of the photons on the target is very hard.

Re:TSMC unveils 1.6nm process technology with backside power... by hajile on Thursday April 25, 2024 @06:27PM (#40163860)
EUV was supposed to ship in the early 2000s and the work on it started in earnest the 90s. It turned out that EUV is way harder than anyone imagined. The only reason we did stuff like immersion DUV was because we couldn’t get EUV to work.