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Re:AI Is Smoke and Mirrors by hn_throwaway_99 on Monday April 22, 2024 @12:38PM (#40116009)
I'm just kinda sad at how cynical so many of us have become. I mean, I see tons of comments "But it hallucinates!!!!!" Yeah, no shit. At the same time, you're having a perfectly grammatically correct, natural, sensical conversation with a computer. Just a couple years ago that was purely the realm of Star Trek.
Re:AI Is Smoke and Mirrors by hermitcrab on Monday April 22, 2024 @12:49PM (#40116154)
I'm 58. It is hard not to be cynical when you've seen as many hype cycles as I have. Especially when you suspect the person hyping LLMs is the same person that was hyping blockchain and NFTs.
Re:AI Is Smoke and Mirrors by whimsicalism on Monday April 22, 2024 @12:53PM (#40116195)
In my personal experience, cynicism seems more like a fixed personality trait people have than one that is rationally borne out of experience.

If you had been holding a representative basket of tech stocks right before the dot-com bust (a classic "hype cycle"), you would be beating the S&P 500 today if you just held on to them, even after most of those companies went bankrupt. Even on crypto, it is too early to call.

The fact that you bridge so easily from crypto to LLM suggests to me you're not really considering these things on the merits and are over-focused on the who and cultural alignment of the people behind various inventions, rather than the creations themselves. /2c

Re:AI Is Smoke and Mirrors by hermitcrab on Monday April 22, 2024 @02:45PM (#40117447)
I've definitely got more cynical as I've got older. I'm sure I'm not alone in that.

>you bridge so easily from crypto to LLM

They are both things that have been massively hyped. I'm not saying they are the same in other ways.

Re:AI Is Smoke and Mirrors by bcrosby95 on Monday April 22, 2024 @01:02PM (#40116309)
Yeah, I have a few "lottery tickets". I put a smallish amount of money into a wide variety of things that I don't actively manage. It includes crypto, tech stocks, hell, even magic the gathering cards from my childhood.

The plan is when the kids are college aged to see how it nets out and pay as much as I can from that.

Re:AI Is Smoke and Mirrors by hibikir on Monday April 22, 2024 @12:59PM (#40116279)
I am in my 40s myself, but it's difficult for me to not separate the very little utility we actually were seeing from NFTs with the utility I get from AI today. It's things people have in production, with millions of users, which are getting actual value out of it.

If a very unreliable person told me it was raining I'd check myself, instead of just assuming it was sunny because they are prone to lying.

Given what we have working today, it's a matter of how transformative it all is, not whether it will be useful at all: More like the dot com boom than blockchains

Re:AI Is Smoke and Mirrors by mattnewton on Monday April 22, 2024 @12:55PM (#40116225)
I really blame crypto, especially NFTs for this.
Re:AI Is Smoke and Mirrors by hn_throwaway_99 on Monday April 22, 2024 @07:33PM (#40126288)
I'm not exactly a spring chicken either, and I 100% agree on the insane, unwarranted hype of blockchain and crypto (plenty of examples in my comment history).

But the huge difference with, for example, blockchain, is that despite all the attempts by the hypesters to explain what revolutionary tech it was, I was always left thinking one of "Umm, OK, but what do I actually do with it" or "How is this better than just a normal database?" or "Actually, that's not possible." Blockchain was nearly always a cool tech looking for a use case beyond cryptocurrencies.

But with LLMs, I never felt that way. I was immediately blown away by how cool ChatGPT was, and how much real value I got out of it. Sure, I think there is plenty of overhyping (and I think it's a little funny how companies are trying to add that little star icon everywhere, even when it's just annoying), but even if I ignore what everyone says about it and just use the tech personally, by myself, I'm still left thinking "Damn this is just magic" many times a day.

Re:AI Is Smoke and Mirrors by HarHarVeryFunny on Monday April 22, 2024 @03:41PM (#40118242)
True - it is amazing. Shows how fast we get used to things.

If someone created an anti-gravity suit, then in a couple of years we'd just be whining about them - how uncomfortable they are, how inconvenient to be banging into people all the time ...

Re:AI Is Smoke and Mirrors by whimsicalism on Monday April 22, 2024 @12:39PM (#40116022)
Luckily I don't think this is trending worse, HN has always been like this.

If anything, it was worse a few years ago - especially during peak pandemic and the reddit issues. Nowadays people seem more positive.

Re:AI Is Smoke and Mirrors by zettabomb on Monday April 22, 2024 @01:11PM (#40116397)
The only difference between AI hallucination and a regular person misremembering is that sometimes the person will communicate the fact that they're unsure. It's not like the outcome is any different either - if you blindly trust, you've got the same problem.
Re:AI Is Smoke and Mirrors by pton_xd on Monday April 22, 2024 @01:25PM (#40116566)
> The only difference between AI hallucination and a regular person misremembering is that sometimes the person will communicate the fact that they're unsure. It's not like the outcome is any different either - if you blindly trust, you've got the same problem.

There's a few key differences. One being, if we compose a system with the output of "regular person", and "regular person" makes a mistake, they can be held accountable.

Re:AI Is Smoke and Mirrors by itronitron on Monday April 22, 2024 @01:00PM (#40116282)
But you're not having a conversation with a computer, you are simply typing something in and the computer is producing a response.
Re:AI Is Smoke and Mirrors by lannisterstark on Monday April 22, 2024 @03:49PM (#40118579)
Are we actually having a conversation? I am saying something and you're just producing a response to that.
Re:AI Is Smoke and Mirrors by whimsicalism on Monday April 22, 2024 @01:10PM (#40116381)
How defensible do you think this distinction actually is? Like if you were fighting a philosophical battle, is this the hill you would choose? Or perhaps retreat to more defensible ground
Re:AI Is Smoke and Mirrors by dinobones on Monday April 22, 2024 @12:46PM (#40116097)
"But it hallucinates!!!!!"

Yeah, and it's getting quantitatively better, all the time. There is a clear progress curve.

Go back and look at the comical quality of GPT2 outputs, and the things people were getting excited about on Twitter. I wrote GPT off at the time because it just seemed like Markov model shenanigans to me, then I tried GPT3.5 and had my mind blown (but was still skeptical due to all the hallucinations), and GPT4 has finally convinced me that this is inevitable, and it's now just an iterative improvement game.

Re:AI Is Smoke and Mirrors by ingredded on Monday April 22, 2024 @01:17PM (#40116471)
> "But it hallucinates!!!!!" Yeah, no shit.

> sensical conversation

Was this 'sensical' comment written by an llm?