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Re:Google scraps minimum wage, benefits rules for suppliers ... by pm90 on Saturday April 20, 2024 @01:12AM (#40094995)
Google has really shifted their “vibe”. The constant layoffs, deals with the Israeli military, shuttering daycare etc. They don’t seem to care anymore.

While I didn’t care too much about all my email going to a google system Ive definitely been looking for an alternative lately.

Re:Google scraps minimum wage, benefits rules for suppliers ... by wodenokoto on Saturday April 20, 2024 @01:32AM (#40095055)
I shifted to Fastmail because people here tend to recommend it and I wanted less google in my life.

Two things I didn’t expect was a better web UI and better spam filtering. On top of that I can write to human support and they are both responsive and seem knowledgeable.

Re:Google scraps minimum wage, benefits rules for suppliers ... by silisili on Saturday April 20, 2024 @03:19AM (#40095493)
Found the same with Zoho, and it's free. Used it because I didn't really care about the account and expected some shitty roundcube thing, but have been blown away. The app, website, and spam filtering absolutely crush what Gmail is offering.
Re:Google scraps minimum wage, benefits rules for suppliers ... by KronisLV on Saturday April 20, 2024 @04:55AM (#40095874)
> Used it because I didn't really care about the account and expected some shitty roundcube thing, but have been blown away.

For what it's worth, I self host a few e-mail servers and modern Roundcube is actually a pleasant experience, even if I like connecting Thunderbird directly.

Here's the mail server I like: https://github.com/docker-mailserver/docker-mailserver

I still very much rely on some cloud vendor e-mails for uptime and deliverability, though. Otherwise, with random VPSes you risk the IPs having bad reputation or having a plethora of issues (such as some providers not allowing e-mail ports).

Re:Google scraps minimum wage, benefits rules for suppliers ... by nexus7556 on Saturday April 20, 2024 @07:04AM (#40096415)
I agree with you on the UI, but left Fastmail and went back to Google workspace because of Fastmails poor spam filtering. 1-2 pieces of spam were hitting my inbox daily. On Workspace it's 1-2 a month.
Re:Google scraps minimum wage, benefits rules for suppliers ... by shampster on Saturday April 20, 2024 @03:02AM (#40095438)
I'm just nit picking, but all your email on one end at least is probably going to end up to a google system anyway lol.
Re:Google scraps minimum wage, benefits rules for suppliers ... by soraminazuki on Saturday April 20, 2024 @05:11AM (#40095946)
Yeah, but by leaving gmail, Google's artificial "intelligence" can't randomly decide to take your digital life away from you.

Also, in most cases, the other end an email isn't a gmail user but a corporate bot. So Google may actually not have all your emails if you move away from it.

Re:Google scraps minimum wage, benefits rules for suppliers ... by rightbyte on Saturday April 20, 2024 @05:44AM (#40096078)
> So Google's artificial "intelligence" can't randomly decide to take your digital life away from you.

I suspect they share data with a belligerent with its murder victim chooser algorithm, so you might drop "digital".

Re:Google scraps minimum wage, benefits rules for suppliers ... by blackeyeblitzar on Saturday April 20, 2024 @02:55AM (#40095412)
I’m glad they will do deals with Israel. Why would taking on paying customers be a problem? It shows they are running a business.
Re:Google scraps minimum wage, benefits rules for suppliers ... by defrost on Saturday April 20, 2024 @02:59AM (#40095424)
Exactly.

I'm certain there's overwhelming retroactive support for IBM and IG Farben within Israel on the grounds that it was just business.

Re:Google scraps minimum wage, benefits rules for suppliers ... by blackeyeblitzar on Saturday April 20, 2024 @03:01AM (#40095437)
Not sure I understand?
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Re:Google scraps minimum wage, benefits rules for suppliers ... by blackeyeblitzar on Saturday April 20, 2024 @03:16AM (#40095483)
I think you should state your ideas more clearly. Are you saying there is an equivalence between Germany in WW2 and Israel? If not, what’s the point of your comment?
Re:Google scraps minimum wage, benefits rules for suppliers ... by defrost on Saturday April 20, 2024 @03:25AM (#40095513)
It's your rhetorical reflected back, perhaps you should state your absolute position on the sanctity of business more clearly.

Why would infomation systems for tracking tattoos on not-Aryans in work and death camps be a problem?

Why would developing and selling Zyklon-B be a problem?

By your comment above, and I quote: "Why would taking on paying customers be a problem? It shows they are running a business".

Do you truly believe that making sales and profit is all that matters?

Re:Google scraps minimum wage, benefits rules for suppliers ... by exe34 on Saturday April 20, 2024 @03:53AM (#40095604)
Has Israel been tattooing people? Has Israel been developing Zyklon-B? I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
Re:Google scraps minimum wage, benefits rules for suppliers ... by intexpress on Saturday April 20, 2024 @04:15AM (#40095711)
I'm just reading up on this now. Sounds like Israel killed 13,000 children? Seems pretty bad.
Re:Google scraps minimum wage, benefits rules for suppliers ... by zizii on Saturday April 20, 2024 @04:20AM (#40095733)
It was and is the fault of Hamas, mostly. They use children as human shields, deliberately placing them in a war zone.
Re:Google scraps minimum wage, benefits rules for suppliers ... by intexpress on Saturday April 20, 2024 @04:33AM (#40095788)
For the sake of argument, let's assume that Hamas uses children as human shields

Does that make it okay for Israel to kill 13,000 children... ?

Sure, I can understand Israel accidentally killing 1 or 2 children. Maybe even accidentally killing 10 children.

But 13,000 ?

It is hard to comprehend accidentally killing 13,000 children.

Re:Google scraps minimum wage, benefits rules for suppliers ... by zizii on Saturday April 20, 2024 @04:38AM (#40095806)
It is Hamas who have killed thousands of children, not Israel.
Re:Google scraps minimum wage, benefits rules for suppliers ... by intexpress on Saturday April 20, 2024 @04:46AM (#40095835)
Not according to the United Nations and the BBC

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68625406

"The United Nations children's agency, Unicef, says 13,000 children in Gaza have been killed by Israel since the war began"

Re:Google scraps minimum wage, benefits rules for suppliers ... by zizii on Saturday April 20, 2024 @04:59AM (#40095891)
Hamas is the sole source of that claim. UNICEF is repeating it uncritically, as is the BBC.
Re:Google scraps minimum wage, benefits rules for suppliers ... by intexpress on Saturday April 20, 2024 @05:09AM (#40095941)
If they believe the numbers then I'm inclined to trust the United Nations and the BBC, but just in case, here's some fact checking from The Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/26/can-we-trust-c...

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Omar Shakir, the Israel and Palestine director at Human Rights Watch, said he saw no evidence that the numbers were being manipulated.

“We have been monitoring human rights abuses in the Gaza Strip for three decades, including several rounds of hostilities. We’ve generally found the data that comes out of the ministry of health to be reliable,” he said.

“When we have done our own independent investigations around particular strikes, and we’ve compared those figures against those from the health ministry, there haven’t been major deviations.

“Their numbers generally are consistent with what we’re seeing on the ground in recent days. There have been hundreds of airstrikes per day in one of the most densely populated areas of the world.

“We’ve looked at satellite imagery. We’ve seen the number of buildings, and the numbers that are coming out are in line with what we would expect with what we’re seeing on the ground. So you put all those things together and we’re quite confident in the overall casualty numbers.”

Re:Google scraps minimum wage, benefits rules for suppliers ... by zizii on Saturday April 20, 2024 @05:13AM (#40095950)
That article does not support the 13,000 number that is being bandied around in the past few days. The figure discussed in that piece is much lower, and a former Reuters bureau chief is quoted to say that news organizations should be sceptical of any numbers originating from Hamas-run sources.
Re:Google scraps minimum wage, benefits rules for suppliers ... by intexpress on Saturday April 20, 2024 @05:22AM (#40095992)
That article says the casualty numbers coming out of Gaza are generally legitimate, and it says ~3,000 children were killed as of October 2023.

For a March 2024 casualty update, ~13,000 children killed seems, sadly, plausible.

Re:Google scraps minimum wage, benefits rules for suppliers ... by exe34 on Saturday April 20, 2024 @03:05PM (#40100016)
Yes, you should condemn Hamas for putting them in peril! They just need to keep their soldiers and weapons away from the children instead of using them as meat shields and banking on their supporters like you to help them with the information war.
Re:Google scraps minimum wage, benefits rules for suppliers ... by exe34 on Saturday April 20, 2024 @10:38AM (#40097672)
You want Israel to value the lives of Palestinian children more than the Palestinians themselves do? Would you support rounding up the children and getting them adopted elsewhere in the muslim world and sterilising the adults? If not, I think you're just talking out of your ass.
Re:Google scraps minimum wage, benefits rules for suppliers ... by defrost on Saturday April 20, 2024 @05:48AM (#40096095)
The assertion was that "running a business with paying customers" is A-Ok.

The counter example was of businesses that aided in war crimes.

The question posed was whether "business trumps all as long as it pays" is an absolute or whether there are qualifications depending on the type and application of paying business.

Re:Google scraps minimum wage, benefits rules for suppliers ... by KronisLV on Saturday April 20, 2024 @04:52AM (#40095857)
I looked it up briefly.

IG Farben: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IG_Farben

> A decade later, it was a Nazi Party donor and, after the Nazi takeover of Germany in 1933, a major government contractor, providing significant material for the German war effort. Throughout that decade it purged itself of its Jewish employees; the remainder left in 1938.[9] Described as "the most notorious German industrial concern during the Third Reich",[10] in the 1940s the company relied on slave labour from concentration camps, including 30,000 from Auschwitz,[11] and was involved in medical experiments on inmates at both Auschwitz and Mauthausen.[12][13] One of its subsidiaries supplied the poison gas Zyklon B, which killed over one million people in gas chambers during the Holocaust.

IBM: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM#History

> The Nazis made extensive use of Hollerith punch card and alphabetical accounting equipment and IBM's majority-owned German subsidiary, Deutsche Hollerith Maschinen GmbH (Dehomag), supplied this equipment from the early 1930s. This equipment was critical to Nazi efforts to categorize citizens of both Germany and other nations that fell under Nazi control through ongoing censuses. This census data was used to facilitate the round-up of Jews and other targeted groups, and to catalog their movements through the machinery of the Holocaust, including internment in the concentration camps.

Because of that, I guess the critique of saying it's "just business" makes sense.

I'm not a history major, nor am well versed in what's going on in the Middle East, I'm just thankful to be from a more boring part of the world where I'm not exposed to a variety of horrors nowadays. Or at least that I live in a time where I don't have the risk of being taken to the Corner House by the KGB, which was an issue in my country under Soviet occupation.

Re:Google scraps minimum wage, benefits rules for suppliers ... by fransje26 on Saturday April 20, 2024 @04:54AM (#40095866)
It's a lesson from history.

IBM computers were helping the nazis keeping track of, among other people, the jews, to better exterminate them.

Google is providing AI systems to Israel. AI systems are used to target and exterminate Gaza residents.

Re:Google scraps minimum wage, benefits rules for suppliers ... by Rapzid on Saturday April 20, 2024 @05:23AM (#40095994)
I just realized I have no clue who the CEO of Google is.. They are literally a faceless corporation to me.

At least Microsoft and Apple have some identity with Tim and Satya.