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Re:Why airplane bathrooms have ashtrays by ars on Tuesday May 22, 2012 @12:02AM (#4006214)
How exactly do they save money by not recycling air?

You don't have to pay for air during flight - it comes from the outside air and is free, it's not canisters or something.

Re:Why airplane bathrooms have ashtrays by cameldrv on Tuesday May 22, 2012 @12:21AM (#4006256)
You do have to pay for air if you care what pressure it is at. Non-Sherpas will demand a refund of their ticket price if provided air at ambient pressure at 35000 ft.
Re:Why airplane bathrooms have ashtrays by raverbashing on Tuesday May 22, 2012 @07:47AM (#4007346)
Actually the issue of pressure is much more complicated

Yes, you can increase the pressure. But then your flying tube in a low pressure environment may explode

Or it'll suffer a bigger expansion/contraction with every cycle and hence less cycles or metal fatigue and failure at 37000feet (passenger won't ask for a refund as they will be unable to do)

So the "cabin altitude" is really a balance between mechanical resistance and people not passing out (though this may be a good idea with some passengers)

Re:Why airplane bathrooms have ashtrays by ars on Tuesday May 22, 2012 @01:51AM (#4006434)
Lets do the math then: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=785+millibars+*+876+cub...

Result: Each air change costs around .62 of a gallon of gas (assuming perfect efficiency). Or around $2.50 - let's call it $10 to account for inefficiency. In contrast it costs around $10,000 per hour (not including salary) to fly a large plane.

Saying they don't circulate air to save money is ridiculous.

Re:Why airplane bathrooms have ashtrays by hasker on Tuesday May 22, 2012 @02:26AM (#4006524)
Some would say the same thing about removing in-flight beverage service or tossing blankets, pillows, and airline magazines to save weights, yet airlines do it. I think it is equally ridiculous to care about such costs, especially at the cost of focusing management away from the top line, but using logic to suggest it does not happen may not get you far in this case.
Re:Why airplane bathrooms have ashtrays by Arelius on Tuesday May 22, 2012 @12:36PM (#4008578)
Is it to save weight, or to save other costs around maintaining blankets and pillows?
Re:Why airplane bathrooms have ashtrays by megablast on Tuesday May 22, 2012 @03:39AM (#4006693)
Some airlines make just over $100 per flight. Not per person per flight, PER FLIGHT. They are looking for every saving they can get.

You can work this out my looking at an an airlines profits, and how many flights they did a year.

Re:Why airplane bathrooms have ashtrays by encoderer on Tuesday May 22, 2012 @02:17PM (#4009075)
Life is complicated. So are airlines.

In this case, airlines are a business designed not to have runaway profit. The unions are very powerful. They know how much money the airline is making a demand large percentages of it. They leave a nominal profit for key investors but shareholders as a whole are regularly left out. In fact, if you look at the entire history of commercial flight, the industry is break-even.

That's not a fluke. If costs were higher, unions would get a smaller cut. If costs were lower, unions would take more.

Philip Greenspun has some great writing on this, as well as the old, shortlived but fantastic Enplaned blog.

Re:Why airplane bathrooms have ashtrays by tb on Tuesday May 22, 2012 @09:47PM (#4011079)
You are referring, of course, to this excellent (and somewhat frightening) article: http://philip.greenspun.com/flying/unions-and-airlines
Re:Why airplane bathrooms have ashtrays by sopooneo on Tuesday May 22, 2012 @11:49PM (#4011447)
There was an episode of the podcast Planet Money where they claimed that the American Airline industry has, as a whole, actually lost money over the course of its existence. As in, overall, net financial loss.
Re:Why airplane bathrooms have ashtrays by ars on Tuesday May 22, 2012 @04:31AM (#4006892)
Maybe for small regional flights. My numbers where for huge 400-500 passenger planes.

By my calculations a smaller 70 passenger plane would use around 1/5 the energy per air change, and they typically fly for only an hour or two. So for an air change every half an hour it would cost them around $4 per flight (and that's assuming low efficiency). So $100 profit is still possible (although I have to say that that's amazing low, but I'll take your word for it).

Re:Why airplane bathrooms have ashtrays by rshlo on Tuesday May 22, 2012 @03:53AM (#4006751)
I've heard it has something to do with the air filters. Less smoking = less clogging of the filters = less air filters replacement = more money to airlines. Just heard that, don't know if it's true.
Re:Why airplane bathrooms have ashtrays by oneeyed on Tuesday May 22, 2012 @06:41AM (#4007189)
That's what I've been told by SNCF (the French national railroad company) officers when they forbad to smoke in trains.