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Re:To make a fortune, target bored young men who want to mak... by mycologos on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @10:29AM (#40052421)
In my limited experience as somebody whose friends and family are all pretty well educated and pretty well off (for better or for worse, I work at a big tech company), gambling seems pretty class-specific.

I don't know anybody who gambles, on betting or crypto, and only a small number who even pick individual stocks. Some people play poker, but only for nominal sums, and it's usually presented as more of an intellectual exercise. I get the sense that if somebody said they like sports betting, it would produce a half-second awkward glitch in a conversation. I doubt anybody would moralize, but there might be an unspoken question like "[you gamble? don't you have more fulfilling things to do?]"

The simple answer here is probably that if you already have enough money then you don't need to gamble, but it's not like most people who gamble actually believe it's the path to profit, it seems like there's something else here where gambling is viewed as low-status (in my bubble).

Re:To make a fortune, target bored young men who want to mak... by psunavy03 on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @11:03AM (#40052885)
Investing in stocks != gambling. The market is not a casino.
Re:To make a fortune, target bored young men who want to mak... by dmoy on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @11:16AM (#40053065)
I don't think OP was saying it is, exactly. They seemed to me to say that betting and crypto are gambling, and that picking individual stocks is kinda close.

Which isn't exactly wrong - if you're a retail investor who isn't using satellite footage of parking lots, picking individual stocks is closer to gambling.

Investing in the aggregate is less gambling.

Re:To make a fortune, target bored young men who want to mak... by margalabargala on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @12:20PM (#40053911)
An even more apt analogy, is that investing in individual stocks, is akin to sports betting in a lot of ways.

Investing in the stock market as a whole is just betting the game will be played.

Re:To make a fortune, target bored young men who want to mak... by HeatrayEnjoyer on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @11:14AM (#40053055)
Who's doing to tell 'em?
Re:To make a fortune, target bored young men who want to mak... by mfru on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @04:18PM (#40056653)
Investing in stocks is definitely akin to gambling.

With individual stocks, you are just betting on horses.

With hedging, you are betting on economic sectors (which can be as large as the whole world economic system) growing infinitely.

And regarding systems growing infinitely in limited environments, I have some bad news for you. Some would call them cancerous.

Re:To make a fortune, target bored young men who want to mak... by fragmede on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @11:45AM (#40066293)
In our era of meme stocks, yes it is. You can talk about fundamentals all you want, but unless you have a model that correctly models the performance of NVDA, GME, TSLA, and DJT, it's gambling.
Re:To make a fortune, target bored young men who want to mak... by nunez on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @02:26PM (#40068406)
SPACs and BBY angrily enter the chat
Re:To make a fortune, target bored young men who want to mak... by bwing1 on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @11:20AM (#40053150)
Yeah, that's bubble-specific, not class-specific. I think the most successful of the younger professionals I know are most likely to gamble on sports -- it's an excuse for an active group chat, it's something to talk with random people about, and the actual amounts you bet are easy to make trivial relative to income. Very networking-forward hobby. (Also, it's obviously as much an intellectual exercise to gamble on sports as it is to play poker.)

Broadly, though sports in particular is something different bubbles care more or less about, I'd say your perspective is entirely foreign to me. My experience is that the more intelligent groups I'm around are vastly more interested in predicting things and putting money behind their predictions.

Re:To make a fortune, target bored young men who want to mak... by trogdor on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @02:48PM (#40055753)
>it's obviously as much an intellectual exercise to gamble on sports as it is to play poker

I think this is wrong. The most skilled poker player at the table has an edge and is likely to win over time. I don’t think there is a similar thing in sports betting.

Re:To make a fortune, target bored young men who want to mak... by briankelly on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @08:28PM (#40059071)
There is, but if you consistently win, they’ll stop taking your bets. And there’s limited options for who will take your bet.

Granted, cash poker is all about sitting at the right table. It’s really the poker tournament structure that legitimizes it.

Re:To make a fortune, target bored young men who want to mak... by tim333 on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @05:41AM (#40062344)
There are definitely professional sports bettors who have an edge and win over time. I'm not sure it's always that hard as most bettors bet on the team they like without calculating the odds.
Re:To make a fortune, target bored young men who want to mak... by HeyLaughingBoy on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @11:02AM (#40052868)
There are extremely wealthy people out there gambling on horse races.
Re:To make a fortune, target bored young men who want to mak... by SJC_Hacker on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @11:07AM (#40052941)
That's mostly about pride in their own abilities to "pick the right horse" than to any genuine desire or expectation they will make money.

Either that, or its because the race was fixed.+

Re:To make a fortune, target bored young men who want to mak... by rm_-rf_slash on Tuesday April 16, 2024 @11:06AM (#40052930)
I have a wealthy and successful friend who loves sports betting, usually places bets in the hundreds-to-thousands range. Calls it “Monopoly money.”

My impression is that it’s a scoring system for competition with his (wealthy and successful) siblings; the dollar values are an afterthought.

Re:To make a fortune, target bored young men who want to mak... by nunez on Wednesday April 17, 2024 @02:25PM (#40068395)
If anything, gambling is a great class equalizer, just like the NYC subway.

Rich people gamble. Poor people gamble. Everyone can get hooked; casinos are great at that!