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Re:Porn restrictions are leading to a VPN boom by chpatrick on Saturday April 06, 2024 @05:19PM (#39955670)
That way the ISP still sees what you're doing though.
Re:Porn restrictions are leading to a VPN boom by acchow on Saturday April 06, 2024 @05:44PM (#39955865)
Only the DNS lookups. Not the content of what you’re viewing over https. Everything after domain name is encrypted
Re:Porn restrictions are leading to a VPN boom by slt2021 on Saturday April 06, 2024 @08:28PM (#39956999)
SNI header from TLS handshake is unencrypted so service providers (and Government's packet inspection engines) absolutely do see what website you are visiting

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_Name_Indication

Server Name Indication payload is not encrypted, thus the hostname of the server the client tries to connect to is visible to a passive eavesdropper. This protocol weakness was exploited by security software for network filtering and monitoring[4][5][6] and governments to implement censorship.[7] Presently, there are multiple technologies attempting to hide Server Name Indication.

Also some countries may mandate users to install and trust government's CA certificate which is then used to MITM HTTPS traffic

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazakhstan_man-in-the-middle_a...

Re:Porn restrictions are leading to a VPN boom by acchow on Monday April 08, 2024 @01:02AM (#39966356)
But the SNI hostname will only include everything left of the TLD. So that is the TLD, the domain name, and the subdomain. It excludes the rest of the URL.

If you have installed a root cert to allow the government to MITM, then there isn't really anything you can do...

Re:Porn restrictions are leading to a VPN boom by slt2021 on Monday April 08, 2024 @12:04PM (#39971067)
SNI is enough to classify traffic for enforcement purposes.

dont forget that if certain SNI is detected, your ISP/government may try to force downgrade TLS or replace server-hello with their own cert - meaning you will need to install government certificate to browse certain websites and 99% of users will do that to get access

Re:Porn restrictions are leading to a VPN boom by freedomben on Saturday April 06, 2024 @05:47PM (#39955890)
The DNS lookup are often enough. You can try to claim you were shopping for new shoes on pornhub.com, but not many people will buy it
Re:Porn restrictions are leading to a VPN boom by toast0 on Saturday April 06, 2024 @08:15PM (#39956927)
I was just shopping for cpu cooling at OnlyFans?
Re:Porn restrictions are leading to a VPN boom by acchow on Saturday April 06, 2024 @07:29PM (#39956641)
Watching for the plot…
Re:Porn restrictions are leading to a VPN boom by nurettin on Saturday April 06, 2024 @05:58PM (#39955992)
There is no law against going to pornhub.com, the law is only concerned with dns blocking.
Re:Porn restrictions are leading to a VPN boom by godelski on Saturday April 06, 2024 @07:47PM (#39956757)
Supposing this was 100% accurate, I'm sure that you could understand that going to pornhub.com or definitelynotgayporn.net would arouse suspicion in a government that is banning such behavior and could cause a person to be under higher scrutiny. So even if you're right that the DNS bypass isn't what would technically get them in trouble, I think you can understand the motivation to encrypt your DNS traffic to ensure that you don't get a target painted on your back. And given this, I hope how you can understand that your comment does very little to contribute to the actual conversation and can even potentially mislead others. A lot of communication is implicit (otherwise it'd be incredibly cumbersome)
Re:Porn restrictions are leading to a VPN boom by nurettin on Saturday April 06, 2024 @09:40PM (#39957394)
Misleading and disinformation also comes in the form of FUD, does it not?
Re:Porn restrictions are leading to a VPN boom by godelski on Sunday April 07, 2024 @12:42AM (#39958232)
You're going to have to clarify what the misleading/disinformation/FUD is. Because I don't see it.
Re:Porn restrictions are leading to a VPN boom by nurettin on Sunday April 07, 2024 @02:31AM (#39958636)
Just read Every Single Suggestion in your reply.

> going to pornhub.com or definitelynotgayporn.net would arouse suspicion in a government that is banning such behavior

dns blocking doesn't mean adults are banned from visiting porn sites. You start by contradicting your initial concession of assuming this is 100% accurate.

> and could cause a person to be under higher scrutiny. So even if you're right that the DNS bypass isn't what would technically get them in trouble, I think you can understand the motivation to encrypt your DNS traffic to ensure that you don't get a target painted on your back.

This is a prime example of Fear and uncertainty.

> And given this, I hope how you can understand that your comment does very little to contribute to the actual conversation and can even potentially mislead others. A lot of communication is implicit (otherwise it'd be incredibly cumbersome)

And this is doubt. Never fails to accompany the other two.

Re:Porn restrictions are leading to a VPN boom by godelski on Sunday April 07, 2024 @12:25PM (#39961793)
One of us is very very VERY confused here
Re:Porn restrictions are leading to a VPN boom by nurettin on Sunday April 07, 2024 @12:49PM (#39961979)
Yes, and they should stop patronizing.
Re:Porn restrictions are leading to a VPN boom by bawolff on Saturday April 06, 2024 @08:52PM (#39957150)
I feel like the type of places with heavy handed censorship are also not the type of places you want to go "well, actually..." to the government.
Re:Porn restrictions are leading to a VPN boom by nurettin on Saturday April 06, 2024 @09:59PM (#39957488)
That approach is way too apprehensive.

Those idiots tried to block google docs once.

It didn't go well as you might imagine. ERs, research institutes and several government facilities responded with cordial letters about the court's mental state. Then it was unblocked.

The reason they get to keep the porn bans is because it isn't enforced upon adults, and it does serve as a thin layer of protection against minors.

Re:Porn restrictions are leading to a VPN boom by tawai on Sunday April 07, 2024 @04:00AM (#39959097)
Imagine lecturing people about their own countries, how arrogant can you be?
Re:Porn restrictions are leading to a VPN boom by omoikane on Saturday April 06, 2024 @08:52PM (#39957147)
Re:Porn restrictions are leading to a VPN boom by akdev1l on Saturday April 06, 2024 @09:28PM (#39957334)
Yeah. An oppressive government will for sure take your excuse of “I was just learning math on PornHub”.
Re:Porn restrictions are leading to a VPN boom by wkat4242 on Monday April 08, 2024 @04:18AM (#39967407)
As if you will get a chance to explain in the dark hole they throw you in :(
Re:Porn restrictions are leading to a VPN boom by baobabKoodaa on Saturday April 06, 2024 @09:36PM (#39957372)
Well, in some parts of the world the lie may be "I was watching 100% straight heterosexual porn, no homo". So a DNS lookup to pornhub.com does not reveal the lie.
Re:Porn restrictions are leading to a VPN boom by semi on Monday April 08, 2024 @11:46AM (#39970891)
or just claim ignorance. or the opposite and claim browser DNS prefetching when a blog spam comment linked to pornhub