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Re:AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the... by ein0p on Thursday April 04, 2024 @12:09PM (#39932267)
My mind hasn’t been this blown by AI since GPT4. You owe it to yourself to check out Suno.ai. As a non-pro musician I’m excited by this. Some version of this could become a _starting point_ for me, rather than an unreachable end goal. I can see how pros would be horrified by this, too. For quite a few people some future version of this could be an adequate replacement for a music subscription, but of course not for a show.
Re:AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the... by MarcelOlsz on Thursday April 04, 2024 @12:26PM (#39932549)
I was thinking it would impact places like bars and streams and tv the most rather than actual consumers, or wherever licensing is concerned. I don't believe people would listen to AI generated music for the same reason AI isn't impacting fine art. People aren't going to hang AI paintings in their houses or listen to AI music.
Re:AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the... by newswasboring on Thursday April 04, 2024 @02:58PM (#39934441)
> People aren't going to hang AI paintings in their houses or listen to AI music.

A lot of people are very confident about this and I dont understand why. The same was said for jazz and comic books. But I am listening to jazz with comic book posters on my wall. There were different reasons to give the same statement, but it almost always turns out to be wrong. Humans like what they like and seldom judge an artwork for its process (outside of a very small niche community).

Re:AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the... by MarcelOlsz on Thursday April 04, 2024 @03:02PM (#39934491)
This is something different entirely. We're outside of the "human sphere" so to speak.

>Humans like what they like and seldom judge an artwork for its process (outside of a very small niche community).

That's true, but how do you zoom out of process? This is beyond process. I would just say most people don't like inhuman things.

Re:AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the... by newswasboring on Thursday April 04, 2024 @03:38PM (#39934862)
> We're outside of the "human sphere" so to speak.

Can you elaborate on this a bit? Because this is what I don't get.

Re:AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the... by MarcelOlsz on Thursday April 04, 2024 @03:54PM (#39935044)
It's a non-human algorithmic mish mash of a bunch of stuff, there is no human quality to it or years of effort to reach new heights. AI will not make "new" music in the sense that it will make a trumpet song that escapes our current understanding of a trumpets limit like how a once in a generation player will come along and move the ceiling up.

It's an omellete. There is no Dolly Parton behind an AI Jolene or a Michael Jackson turning a 4 track tape into a musical masterpiece. The journey and personalities are what contextualize the sound, without AI that context is gone. That's why I think it will just be used for cafes and things like that where they want to escape licensing fees.

As for consumers - I believe people will see AI music consumption as a way of supporting the new technological powers that be, and the act of listening to human-made music will have an element of counter-culture baked into it. I'm a professional musician and I have a very physical reaction to sound. Once I know it's AI my goosebumps fade.

Another lame incarnation of a tech that will also fade like crypto and everything else. The types of personalities who will leverage this tech are not the same personalities that make the greats.

I'm not worried.

Re:AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the... by newswasboring on Thursday April 04, 2024 @04:02PM (#39935140)
In this post, I can summarize two points you are trying to make. One, it takes less effort, and two it doesn't fit into our current understanding of how art creation narratives work. I don't see how that precludes a piece from being good/bad. I feel like you are arguing for your personal opinion (if not your image of what the world should be) as if it's some kind of objective truth. Your goosebumps might have faded but when I heard this post in a half sleepy state, I got goosebumps when my sleepy mind figured out its fully AI generated. But that doesn't add to the argument either way.
Re:AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the... by MacsHeadroom on Thursday April 04, 2024 @06:01PM (#39936327)
I love art made by non-human intelligences. I especially love how it can transcend and redefine loved mediums by combining them in surreal ways that are otherwise quite difficult to obtain. Algorithmic exploration of mediums outpaces mere mortal "effort" in its efficiency and in doing so raises the bar for what constitutes media worth giving our attention to.
Re:AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the... by vsnf on Thursday April 04, 2024 @11:03PM (#39938301)
AI Art is second-order human art. From this viewpoint it's still human by proxy.

And anyway, is it measurably different from art produced while tripping on LSD or in similar states of altered consciousness, such as schizophrenia, dementia, or even depression, which often produce things many people would not describe as regular?

Re:AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the... by avidiax on Saturday April 06, 2024 @02:19AM (#39950428)
People hang commercial art in their homes all the time, and that's essentially design-by-committee.

I see no reason that someone wouldn't hang an AI poster print in their AirBnB that's abstract, or even a "commission" based on the property and its locale.

Same reason for AI music. Your store needs a bit of music to set a vibe, but with AI it can be free of copyright and performance licensing, and again, be tailored to your location, products, clientele, the day of the week, etc.

Re:AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the... by j-bos on Thursday April 04, 2024 @02:27PM (#39934130)
I see this take often, but I don't buy it. Mixtapes and playlists are quintessential gifts of affection based on art that the giver did not make and by artists the receiver often does not know. Just the same lots of people hang costco paintings on their walls by anonymous sweatshop workers and kids love cool posters about whatever interests them with no regard to who made them. I believe consumers are likely to enjoy lots of this generated art.
Re:AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the... by ein0p on Thursday April 04, 2024 @12:27PM (#39932575)
Why not? Have you seen the top 10? It couldn’t be any worse than what it is now. People who reach the top 10 are rarely there for the “art”. A lot of them don’t even write their own songs or music.
Re:AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the... by recursive on Thursday April 04, 2024 @02:56PM (#39934422)
Someone is writing it. There are a lot more than 10 people that want to be in the top 10. It's hard to get into the top 10. You might not appreciate it as art, but the songs that are there are good at something. You could call it being catchy. AI is not even close on this metric.
Re:AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the... by newswasboring on Thursday April 04, 2024 @03:01PM (#39934475)
Its not even close now. And these things have been out maybe a few months? Of course even the potential of the current tools aren't fully explored.
Re:AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the... by recursive on Thursday April 04, 2024 @04:03PM (#39935161)
I think it will get there, wherever "there" is. I think it's very impressive now, as a technical marvel. But it's really not competing with the best humans yet. I don't say this to dismiss it. I say this as an appreciator of music who is neutral on AI. Probably one day I'll listen to mostly AI generated music. But it won't be this month.
Re:AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the... by MarcelOlsz on Thursday April 04, 2024 @12:33PM (#39932656)
Honestly I don't even know what the "top 10" is or how its measured and have never met anyone in my life who listened to top 10 stuff. It's always HR office radio, mechanic radio, the bar, club, etc. Even the most normal people find stuff they like on youtube and listen to that.

Even if the AI music is extremely good, it's just missing the fact that it was made by a person, which changes the experience entirely. I think we're more likely to see musicians and those top10 artists leverage AI without explicitly saying so.

I expect we will have a daft punk moment where someone is using exclusively AI and later unmasks that it was all AI, and as soon as that happens the music is disconnected.

Same with AI art. I can see something and be duped and go "oh wow!!!" and as soon as I know it's AI the caring leaves my body completely and reverence and interest is lost.

Re:AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the... by aradox66 on Thursday April 04, 2024 @12:45PM (#39932818)
I love this sentiment about "top 10" radio. If only it was so. That's the stuff that's on everywhere, all the time. Grocery stores, cafes, etc etc. hell, I listen to it on YouTube. It's like junk food. It's bad, it's good.

It's better than AI, even this incredible mindblowing suno thing. Production value counts.

Re:AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the... by janalsncm on Thursday April 04, 2024 @02:29PM (#39934150)
Quality isn’t the only factor though. Music made by people has copyright which means grocery stores and coffee shops have to pay a license fee.

There’s certainly a point where this synthetic music gets good enough to replace the elevator music Muzak crap that they have to pay $2000 to license.

Re:AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the... by ein0p on Thursday April 04, 2024 @01:19PM (#39933299)
Will it be better than AI six months from now, that’s the question. My money is on “no”.
Re:AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the... by MarcelOlsz on Thursday April 04, 2024 @01:45PM (#39933637)
At least the classical world is safe. They want no part in AI.
Re:AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the... by throwup238 on Thursday April 04, 2024 @03:16PM (#39934627)
I think it's a lot better at classical, orchestral, and instrumental music than it is at anything requiring vocalization. I created this in less than 20 minutes: https://app.suno.ai/song/eb93c25b-bdbe-4c9f-8e03-66e9479c869...

I need to stem it, fix it up a bit, and remix for stereo in a DAW but it's much better than I expected for my first ever piece of music. Obviously it'd take a lot of work to create a Hans Zimmer level OST from the tool but IMO it wouldn't feel out of place on a Ludovico Einaudi album or on some Spotify or Pandora classical radio.

Re:AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the... by programd on Thursday April 04, 2024 @05:34PM (#39936035)
That's actually a very good piece. Like something I'd hear on late night Paradise Radio. If I was creating an indie movie on no budget I'd be all over this technology for the soundtrack.

I don't think musicians and composers are going to disappear as a consequence of this technology, in the same way that theatre actors were not made obsolete by film. What I do think is that a whole new category of professionals will be created - musicians and composers who get paid to train AI models. I bet it will pay better then the laughable amounts that are streaming royalties.

Re:AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the... by recursive on Thursday April 04, 2024 @05:25PM (#39935969)
At some point in the future, wanting no part in AI-generated content is going to be like that old Onion headline. "Area Man Constantly Mentioning That He Doesn't Even Own A Television".
Re:AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the... by xetsilon on Thursday April 04, 2024 @06:00PM (#39936321)
All music at this point is largely ambient music and Muzak.

The future is obviously a form of custom AI Muzak/Ambient music with a few pop stars for people to focus on.

I am a big fan of more art type music and guess what? No one listens to it. My fav album of 2023 has 6.4k views on youtube. At least a 100 of those are mine. No one listens to this stuff. People watch video critic reviews of more art type music than the actual music itself.

Re:AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the... by ein0p on Thursday April 04, 2024 @06:31PM (#39936608)
Lol, same. A lot of the stuff I listen to is completely unknown to a “normal” person. And guess what? AI is not replacing those folks for their audiences in the foreseeable future, because they don’t just regurgitate the same chord progression as everyone else
Re:AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the... by tiptup300 on Friday April 05, 2024 @08:42PM (#39948976)
Hey curious you're opinion on a track like this.

https://app.suno.ai/song/2a5a9327-5b27-4353-b62b-8eb3e314fff...

I normally do noisey acoustic stream on consious stuff but I've been too busy for the past two years to get anything out.

This was the first track in a while I've been happy with the lyrics are very real to me and it took a couple hours to learn the workflow and I still haven't went back and fixed edited the ending as well as adding overdubs throughout as well as a real guitar solo.

I can post my youtube for more context but I didn't feel right posting it without someone requesting.

I'm just very interested in new ways to get my art out. And this is more of a transformer of my poetry into real listenable music.

I'm very excited.

Re:AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the... by CamperBob2 on Thursday April 04, 2024 @12:55PM (#39932952)
I don't believe people would listen to AI generated music for the same reason AI isn't impacting fine art.

Pretty soon we'll be reviving the old Palmolive "You're soaking in it" commercial (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bEkq7JCbik).

We'll all be soaking in it, and no, you won't be able to tell the difference.

Re:AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the... by IanCal on Friday April 05, 2024 @06:28AM (#39940761)
> I don't believe people would listen to AI generated music

Counter-point, we've been listening to a rock song about the moon given the words from one of my kids books all morning.

People will 100% listen to (edit - I never finished the sentence) things that sound fun. It might not bring me to tears or stop me in my tracks but lots of things are just fun.

> People aren't going to hang AI paintings in their houses

People will absolutely do this. If AI systems can make nice pictures people will hang them in their houses. And they can make nice pictures.

Re:AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the... by flemhans on Friday April 05, 2024 @10:32AM (#39942851)
People are buying art in IKEA, of course they'll hang an AI painting as well.
Re:AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the... by UncleOxidant on Thursday April 04, 2024 @02:28PM (#39934145)
Does it take a long time for it to generate a song? I've been waiting for about 10 minutes now with a spinning circle line.
Re:AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the... by throwup238 on Thursday April 04, 2024 @02:55PM (#39934409)
With the pro subscription it usually takes less than thirty seconds for the songs to be playable. It keeps generating while you play though, so the whole audio file isn’t available for a few minutes.

Free accounts are queued so it depends on load and I don't think the v3 model is available to them.

Re:AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the... by joshstrange on Friday April 05, 2024 @07:06AM (#39940934)
The v3 model is now available to free accounts. Normally takes me a minute or so at most on a free account to generate a song. Though, as you said, it does seem to depend on load.