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Re:What we know about the xz Utils backdoor that almost infe... by markus_zhang on Monday April 01, 2024 @10:44AM (#39894670)
I hope Open Source maintainers and the big companies get the message -- they need to change the financial outlook of open source maintaining.
Re:What we know about the xz Utils backdoor that almost infe... by bongodongobob on Monday April 01, 2024 @10:49AM (#39894715)
I think the message would more likely be "don't use open source and pay for closed source" than "give money to open source and cross your fingers that it does something".
Re:What we know about the xz Utils backdoor that almost infe... by markus_zhang on Monday April 01, 2024 @10:51AM (#39894737)
Either way, it gives more jobs and $$$ to software developers in general. I'm fine with both :)

Just imagine how many more jobs will be created if every large company decides to roll their own stuffs. A lot are actually doing this, but not enough.

Re:What we know about the xz Utils backdoor that almost infe... by treyd on Monday April 01, 2024 @11:31AM (#39895224)
That is a tremendous amount of duplicated effort and it would be nice to be able to go and do something else with our skills and lives.
Re:What we know about the xz Utils backdoor that almost infe... by bongodongobob on Monday April 01, 2024 @10:55AM (#39894774)
That just sounds like the broken window fallacy then. "It's good we have broken windows so the window makers have jobs".
Re:What we know about the xz Utils backdoor that almost infe... by pkulak on Monday April 01, 2024 @11:14AM (#39895003)
It absolutely is. But we're all window makers, so our perspective is slightly different from general econ. ;)
Re:What we know about the xz Utils backdoor that almost infe... by sargun on Monday April 01, 2024 @11:56AM (#39895556)
To be fair, you also need software engineers to break the windows. It is in our best interest to break the windows.
Re:What we know about the xz Utils backdoor that almost infe... by markus_zhang on Monday April 01, 2024 @11:04AM (#39894887)
Since that already happened, let's drink from the half-full bottle.
Re:What we know about the xz Utils backdoor that almost infe... by rmbyrro on Monday April 01, 2024 @01:28PM (#39896634)
You should have more discretion with those ideas or disclose irony clearly, which I hope is the case here.
Re:What we know about the xz Utils backdoor that almost infe... by jerf on Monday April 01, 2024 @11:09AM (#39894946)
If that is the takeaway the industry takes from this, it will be a huge mistake. We are talking about this at all precisely because it was open source. Commercial closed source software can simply be assumed to be compromised. We know of enough instances of it happening that if you still have a knee-jerk "oh that sounds like a conspiracy theory" reaction to that claim, you need to recalibrate your conspiracy theory meter, quickly.
Re:What we know about the xz Utils backdoor that almost infe... by dartos on Monday April 01, 2024 @11:24AM (#39895123)
I mean Okta has shown us that paying for closed source does not imply higher quality or more secure software.
Re:What we know about the xz Utils backdoor that almost infe... by acdha on Monday April 01, 2024 @12:51PM (#39896178)
Also F5 or Citrix: some of their core security products had 90s-style C exploits and other signs of development practices well behind the times - roughly at the level of going to surgery and seeing your surgeon not washing their hands in the bathroom.

https://www.cisa.gov/guidance-addressing-citrix-netscaler-ad...

https://www.mandiant.com/resources/blog/session-hijacking-ci...

https://www.fortinet.com/blog/threat-research/defending-agai...

https://www.cisa.gov/news-events/cybersecurity-advisories/aa...

Re:What we know about the xz Utils backdoor that almost infe... by bongodongobob on Monday April 01, 2024 @12:35PM (#39896009)
Yeah I'm not implying that's the way to go, but thinking since something open source was compromised that it will encourage businesses to donate is wishful thinking.
Re:What we know about the xz Utils backdoor that almost infe... by pxc on Monday April 01, 2024 @01:10PM (#39896413)
It might be riskier (because you'd have to identify yourself with government documents) to plant a backdoor in a similar way at a large, proprietary software vendor like Microsoft. But I don't know that it would be harder. And in the case of proprietary software there would not be nearly as much public scrutiny, and the scrutinizing public would have fewer resources for inspecting it.
Re:What we know about the xz Utils backdoor that almost infe... by sliken on Monday April 01, 2024 @02:38PM (#39897534)
Like Ivanti's Pulse VPN? Who hid a CentOS 6 in an appliance, unpatched, way past EoL?
Re:What we know about the xz Utils backdoor that almost infe... by fransje26 on Monday April 01, 2024 @03:06PM (#39897859)
You mean going for safe companies, like Microsoft? That were infiltrated for ages with solarwind, "without any changes to their source code"?
Re:What we know about the xz Utils backdoor that almost infe... by bongodongobob on Monday April 01, 2024 @04:06PM (#39898556)
Yes, good example, a company they are likely already doing business with.
Re:What we know about the xz Utils backdoor that almost infe... by thiht on Monday April 01, 2024 @10:46AM (#39894692)
How would it have changed anything in this specific case?
Re:What we know about the xz Utils backdoor that almost infe... by markus_zhang on Monday April 01, 2024 @10:49AM (#39894709)
This might solve the original author's issues, AND might also attract other people to do the job. The more people, the more eyes. It's definitely not a silver bullet, but I would be surprised that OSS maintainers are fine with the current financial arrangement, or lack of it.
Re:What we know about the xz Utils backdoor that almost infe... by slowmovintarget on Monday April 01, 2024 @03:39PM (#39898236)
Money itself doesn't necessarily cure mental health issues. I'm mean it usually doesn't hurt, but it's not like you can blend cash up into a smoothy and cure depression. (Yes, that's a South Park reference.)
Re:What we know about the xz Utils backdoor that almost infe... by account42 on Tuesday April 09, 2024 @05:04AM (#39977552)
Lack of money on the other hand can both cause mental issues and make dealing with them harder if not impossible.
Re:What we know about the xz Utils backdoor that almost infe... by mardifoufs on Monday April 01, 2024 @01:06PM (#39896358)
The original xz maintainer stated that he delegated maintenance due to (then) current mental illness issues he was facing, not because of finances.
Re:What we know about the xz Utils backdoor that almost infe... by account42 on Tuesday April 09, 2024 @05:01AM (#39977533)
He mentioned mental illness and other issues. Those other issues could very well be financial. Financial issues also affect mental health.