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Re:Xz: Can you spot the single character that disabled Linux... by kristopolous on Saturday March 30, 2024 @10:59PM (#39880962)
Ok there's a larger question here about the bazaar software development method.

How can we ensure say, that Microsoft doesn't pay someone to throw a wrench in libre office development or Adobe to sabotage Gimp?

There's lots of deception strategies for bad faith actors and given the paucity of people who actually do the work, it's really really hard to be picky.

Especially with the complexity of library dependencies. Defect-at-a-distance may actually be a common strategy and this is the first that was caught

Re:Xz: Can you spot the single character that disabled Linux... by Dalewyn on Saturday March 30, 2024 @11:32PM (#39881159)
>How can we ensure say, that Microsoft doesn't pay someone to throw a wrench in libre office development or Adobe to sabotage Gimp?

Microsoft and Adobe have reputations to uphold long into the future.

Is that infallible? Hell no it isn't, but consider that Jia Tan only needed to uphold his reputation insofar as getting his backdoor onto everyone's systems. Once that is done, his reputation or the lack thereof becomes a non-issue because his work is done. We're lucky we caught him just before the finish line.

The likelihood of demonstrably reputable parties like Microsoft and Adobe poisoning the well is practically nil because they don't have a finish line.

Re:Xz: Can you spot the single character that disabled Linux... by kristopolous on Sunday March 31, 2024 @12:01AM (#39881304)
Those companies are famous for skullduggery.

They can secure the dominance of their offering against the open source competition for well under 500k a year. It's a no brainer.

What this might look like would be say, poorly discernable icons, clumsy UI design, or an unstable API that makes plugins constantly break. Large volumes of documentation that are inadequate or inaccurate in critical places, etc.

If I was malicious I'd pay someone to write otherwise functional code and bug fixes but make really user hostile decisions whenever possible.

We should be diligent for this in a few key projects. Tech companies could easily be doing this already.

Re:Xz: Can you spot the single character that disabled Linux... by bawolff on Sunday March 31, 2024 @01:10AM (#39881623)
> Those companies are famous for skullduggery

There are levels of skull duggery. Hiring someone to pretend to work for a competitor while secretly sabotaging them is a whole other level of skullduggery with a lot of liability attached. I don't think that would be worth it to them.

Re:Xz: Can you spot the single character that disabled Linux... by worik on Sunday March 31, 2024 @04:46PM (#39887943)
> There are levels of skull duggery.

Like shooting a whistle blower?

Re:Xz: Can you spot the single character that disabled Linux... by Dalewyn on Sunday March 31, 2024 @02:47AM (#39882001)
Well since you seemingly want to paint Microsoft and other such companies in a bad light, let me point out to you that it's actually Microsoft who brought awareness to this very problem: Andres Freund works at Microsoft.[1][2]

It is probably prudent for you (and other like-minded individuals) to be more careful who you think your enemies really are. Infighting against friends and allies, or even neutral parties, is exactly what your real enemies would want you to do.

[1]: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andres-freund

[2]: https://twitter.com/AndresFreundTec

Re:Xz: Can you spot the single character that disabled Linux... by yread on Sunday March 31, 2024 @06:04AM (#39882899)
1. Identify particularly unproductive employees. The people who relly muck things up.

2. Make them contribute to a competing open source project.

3. Profit!

Re:Xz: Can you spot the single character that disabled Linux... by Rexxar on Sunday March 31, 2024 @10:39AM (#39884693)
3. Discover the employee was not unproductive because he was bad but because of internal bureaucracy
Re:Xz: Can you spot the single character that disabled Linux... by lazide on Sunday March 31, 2024 @10:19AM (#39884517)
It would be hard for them to not get caught with their hands in the cookie jar - corp employees have high turnover, and low loyalty past their employment.

Even paying a cutout consulting company to do it would be iffy since so many finance employees would be involved in paying them, it would leak sooner than later - or at least raise a lot of questions that would be hard to answer legitimately. Being a public company, also hard to avoid auditor scrutiny.

Even a private company would have an easier time.

Nation state actors though? No such issues - that’s literally why security clearances, compartmentalization, and ‘you never really leave’ are done the way they are.

And they don’t have to worry about market blowback unless they get really excessively heavy handed (like France did in the late 80’s-90’s). They are setup to do shady stuff, it’s their raison d'etre.

[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_espionage#:~:text....]

Re:Xz: Can you spot the single character that disabled Linux... by deckard1 on Sunday March 31, 2024 @01:06AM (#39881603)
You say all this after recent documents were revealed about Facebook intercepting and analyzing Snapchat encrypted traffic via a man-in-the-middle conspiracy.
Re:Xz: Can you spot the single character that disabled Linux... by esafak on Sunday March 31, 2024 @01:10AM (#39881624)
What kind of a reputation do you think Facebook has?