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Re:Why Are Older Americans Drinking So Much? by osigurdson on Saturday March 30, 2024 @07:55PM (#39879865)
The world is fine. Don't give in to negativity.
Re:Why Are Older Americans Drinking So Much? by hayst4ck on Saturday March 30, 2024 @08:16PM (#39880004)
"Hope is not a strategy" is exactly meant to disarm this type of blithe thinking.

Global warming is unaddressed and China is actively building a military to confront the US promising WW3. We have at least 2 major active genocides, one of which might succeed.

If you were to graph corruption, it is clearly increasing. Income inequality is increasing. Congress members are still trading stock. Supreme court justices are still taking bribes... Wages (measured in ability to purchase goods) are decreasing.

I'll happily engage in the thought exercise of thinking about some systemic graphs with a slope that inspires hope.

If America or the world had a dashboard, what graphs would you show me to make me think the world was "fine" or that I should feel positively about the future?

Re:Why Are Older Americans Drinking So Much? by vasco on Saturday March 30, 2024 @08:39PM (#39880183)
> If America or the world had a dashboard, what graphs would you show me to make me think the world was "fine" or that I should feel positively about the future?

Share of people living in extreme poverty in the world: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/the-share-and-number-of-p...

Child and infant mortality, world: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/child-mortality-igme?tab=...

Maternal mortality: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/maternal-mortality?tab=ch...

Prevalence of undernourishment in developing countries: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/prevalence-of-undernouris...

Re:Why Are Older Americans Drinking So Much? by hayst4ck on Saturday March 30, 2024 @11:09PM (#39881017)
I think if I were living in the third world those would give me hope that if I had a child they would have a better life than I had, not very compelling for a privileged white American.

I think for the world at large, more people, means more consumption, means more pollution and fewer resources per person. Those improvements are likely largely found in pre-industrial societies, and industrialization is environmentally expensive too.

I am willing to believe that while the velocity of global warming is positive, the acceleration of it might be negative. That would be hope inducing, but that's generally not the sense I've gotten.

When someone says the world is on fire, I think they are literally referring to the world being on fire, global warming, or the general rise of authoritarianism/strongmen across the world and the conflict they require to stay in power.

Re:Why Are Older Americans Drinking So Much? by vasco on Sunday March 31, 2024 @04:42AM (#39882535)
If less children and mothers dying and less people in famine doesn't give you hope I don't think anything will. Good luck.
Re:Why Are Older Americans Drinking So Much? by forgetfreeman on Sunday March 31, 2024 @03:06AM (#39882095)
If the only thing you're bringing to the table is the notion that, in the midst of several interrelated threats to global civilization, more people globally experience what a pakistani brickmaker might consider prosperity, you should consider spending a bit more effort towards staying informed of current events.
Re:Why Are Older Americans Drinking So Much? by vasco on Sunday March 31, 2024 @04:45AM (#39882549)
The thing you scoff at in your racist quip lots of mothers would kill to give their children, still today. Real peoples lives are improving at a great pace, the fact you have so much more doesn't make less deaths at birth any less positive. When I was younger to hear someone speak like this of reducing world hunger would get you labeled with whatever the most evil label would be.
Re:Why Are Older Americans Drinking So Much? by forgetfreeman on Sunday March 31, 2024 @10:38PM (#39890378)
It's telling that you claim racism in a comment that underlines the ECONOMIC CATASTROPHE that is manual labor in Pakistan. I think we've established you aren't actually paying attention.
Re:Why Are Older Americans Drinking So Much? by onlyrealcuzzo on Saturday March 30, 2024 @08:23PM (#39880060)
I hate to break it to you, but the same could be said pretty much every year since 1900.

If you had that thinking, you'd have missed a great time.

A broken clock is bound to be right eventually.

At some point, the world will end, eventually.

Re:Why Are Older Americans Drinking So Much? by forgetfreeman on Sunday March 31, 2024 @03:07AM (#39882100)
Ludicrous. Whole ecosystems weren't collapsing in realtime in 1901.
Re:Why Are Older Americans Drinking So Much? by onlyrealcuzzo on Sunday March 31, 2024 @09:52AM (#39884256)
The Dust Bowl was pretty apocalyptic.
Re:Why Are Older Americans Drinking So Much? by forgetfreeman on Sunday March 31, 2024 @05:43PM (#39888313)
Fun Fact: one of that topsoil came back and we've been leaning on non-renewable inputs to paper over the damage. So yeah, there's a tie-in to at least two of the existential threats we're dealing with (fossil fuels and agricultural issues). Back to the issue at hand, how many marine fisheries had we wiped out completely at that point?
Re:Why Are Older Americans Drinking So Much? by osigurdson on Saturday March 30, 2024 @09:17PM (#39880432)
Don't stress, don't strain. In 30 years, everything will still be ok and you will still be stressing about the future, unless you choose not to. Regardless, I don't see any benefit in idle pessimism.
Re:Why Are Older Americans Drinking So Much? by IncreasePosts on Saturday March 30, 2024 @08:18PM (#39880023)
What benefit could come to China by starting WWII? Absolutely none, even if they won(which they wouldn't).

This is exactly the problem with this hopeless viewpoint. just like those wearing rose colored glasses, your shit colored glasses are preventing you from accurately understanding what is going on in the world.

Re:Why Are Older Americans Drinking So Much? by more_corn on Saturday March 30, 2024 @08:25PM (#39880086)
China will attempt to take Taiwan (they’ve even given their military a deadline for getting ready). US probably wants that not to happen and will probably try to stop it. Things will escalate rapidly and we’ll be lucky to live through it. Rand did a good study on the dangers of escalation during a conflict over Taiwan. It doesn’t look good.
Re:Why Are Older Americans Drinking So Much? by cryptoxchange on Sunday March 31, 2024 @12:04AM (#39881326)
Which is why the US is will leave Taiwan hanging. Taiwan sees what happened to Ukraine, the writing is on the wall. Hong Kong style gradual reunification will happen in the next 10 years.
Re:Why Are Older Americans Drinking So Much? by IncreasePosts on Saturday March 30, 2024 @11:30PM (#39881142)
US isn't going to start WWIII over Taiwan, even though they really don't want China to have it.
Re:Why Are Older Americans Drinking So Much? by hayst4ck on Saturday March 30, 2024 @09:06PM (#39880360)
Everyone thought Russia wouldn't invade Ukraine until they did. Everyone thought two countries having a McDonalds meant peace between them until they didn't.

Denial and delusions are the most basic of mental health defense mechanisms, but society cannot work if everyone is in denial or experiencing delusions. It is better for the individuals, but not better for the whole.

I'm not a proponent of being hopeless, but if everyone is living in la la land thinking nothing bad can happen until it does... I don't think that is a good way to conduct society. We have very real unaddressed problems. I think wanting to escape from that is at least understandable if not rational.

I, personally, do not feel hopeless when there are problems, I feel hopeless when other people do not recognize those problems. I feel hopeless when problems are not being addressed.

Historians at ivy league colleges are saying that the forces that made Russia Russia (increasing wealth inequality and decline of rule of law), and the forces that put Hitler into power in Germany (rampant nationalism, stoking the public with a desire for quick solutions, and appealing to the German aristocracy's greed) are both active in America.

So you can moralize about my shit colored glasses, but what if there is actually shit on those glasses, wouldn't they be shit colored?

Re:Why Are Older Americans Drinking So Much? by IncreasePosts on Saturday March 30, 2024 @11:38PM (#39881183)
A ton of people thought Russia would or at least could invade Ukraine. Though I do recall when those people were made fun of by our President 2 years before the first stage of their invasion - "the 1980s called - they want their foreign policy back".

> but if everyone is living in la la land thinking nothing bad can happen until it does... I don't think that is a good way to conduct society

Except that is not at all where American society is at. People, especially chronically online or in front of 24 hour news programs are expressing some of the most negative views towards the future as they ever have.

Yes, if the world is actually shit then you aren't wearing shit colored glasses. I don't think it is, so I will just laugh at and feel sad for those people who are so down in the dumps. Obviously I might be wrong about this, I guess we will have to wait and see.

Re:Why Are Older Americans Drinking So Much? by forgetfreeman on Sunday March 31, 2024 @03:11AM (#39882117)
Oh yeah, everything's fantastic if you have nothing to compare it to.
Re:Why Are Older Americans Drinking So Much? by IncreasePosts on Sunday March 31, 2024 @06:53PM (#39888930)
Nothing to compare it to...besides for history, and basically the rest of the world.
Re:Why Are Older Americans Drinking So Much? by osigurdson on Saturday March 30, 2024 @09:19PM (#39880446)
>> I feel hopeless when problems are not being addressed.

So, start addressing them. Stop waiting around for everyone else.

Re:Why Are Older Americans Drinking So Much? by forgetfreeman on Sunday March 31, 2024 @03:11AM (#39882119)
Fun Fact: some problems require literally everyone's participation to resolve.
Re:Why Are Older Americans Drinking So Much? by osigurdson on Sunday March 31, 2024 @11:42AM (#39885249)
Actual Fact: such problems will obviously never be solved so don't worry about it.
Re:Why Are Older Americans Drinking So Much? by forgetfreeman on Sunday March 31, 2024 @05:46PM (#39888351)
Incorrect. Shit like global warming and collapsing marine fisheries will absolutely resolve one way or another. The question is do we brick the planet's ability to support our society before the resulting massive reduction in human population permits ecosystems to restabilize.
Re:Why Are Older Americans Drinking So Much? by emmelaich on Sunday March 31, 2024 @02:50AM (#39882009)
Here's a dashboard: https://ourworldindata.org/

Pick almost anything to see a positive trend.

Re:Why Are Older Americans Drinking So Much? by forgetfreeman on Sunday March 31, 2024 @03:02AM (#39882078)
Without so much as glancing at that I'm guessing there's a few things missing from whatever "look at this bulging GPD" horseshit is actually there:

- Arable acreage globally

- Topsoil depth/health in agricultural areas globally

- Biodiversity as a simple count of distinct species on the planet

- PFAS contamination (by either sheer area or PPM)

- Atmospheric CO2 and methane PPM

- Geopolitical stability (this one's trending down FAST)

- Healthcare outcomes in the US compared to any other industrialized nation on the planet

- Likelyhood that a nuclear weapon will be used in anger in our lifetime

- Percentage of GDP that makes it into the pockets of people that actually work for a living

I could keep going but why bother.

Re:Why Are Older Americans Drinking So Much? by desperatecuban on Saturday March 30, 2024 @07:56PM (#39879871)
Lucky you.
Re:Why Are Older Americans Drinking So Much? by jaybrendansmith on Saturday March 30, 2024 @08:08PM (#39879939)
Biden and Trump are neck and neck in polls. Pardon me while a drown myself in alcohol.
Re:Why Are Older Americans Drinking So Much? by qwerpy on Saturday March 30, 2024 @08:16PM (#39880003)
I love how this comment makes sense whether you’re on the left, right, or center.
Re:Why Are Older Americans Drinking So Much? by salad-tycoon on Saturday March 30, 2024 @09:44PM (#39880570)
Well, actually I’m offended because I feel excluded as I was personally hoping for option c. someone else. /s
Re:Why Are Older Americans Drinking So Much? by emmelaich on Sunday March 31, 2024 @02:51AM (#39882014)
Here's a thought. The fact that the two candidates for the most important role in the world are so bad tells you that the role is in fact, not very important.

That's a good thing.

Re:Why Are Older Americans Drinking So Much? by forgetfreeman on Sunday March 31, 2024 @03:14AM (#39882134)
We see you over there pretending one of them isn't going to end up in command of the largest nuclear arsenal on the planet. Pull your head out.
Re:Why Are Older Americans Drinking So Much? by hayst4ck on Sunday March 31, 2024 @04:56AM (#39882593)
It isn't that important because there is "deep state" (entrenched bureaucracy), but what were trumps first actions? To install kiss the ring loyalists into as many positions of power as possible and bleed the diplomatic corps out. There was a mass exodus of the "deep state" you are now claiming is what is actually important.

His first presidency was a resounding success for him. He found that he only has a few hurdles left to successfully become a dictator. He neutralized the press with the gish gallop and "lügenpresse"[1], he neutralized his party with the big lie[2], he neutralized the supreme court by installing loyalists and letting them take bribes, he neutralized congress through gridlock. The only real hurdle trump has left is the joint chiefs of staff and you can guarantee his first action as president will be to clean house of people who swore an oath to the constitution and replace them with people willing to ring kiss.

If he is installed we get either a military "coup" to protect the constitution from a domestic enemy or the constitution becomes just a piece of paper in exactly the same way the bible is just a book, venerated but not understood.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lying_press

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie

Re:Why Are Older Americans Drinking So Much? by emmelaich on Sunday March 31, 2024 @11:04PM (#39890544)
You're inferring too much from my comment. I think the bureaucracy and big business have a huge inertia that effectively limits the presidents power. At least domestically.
Re:Why Are Older Americans Drinking So Much? by hayst4ck on Monday April 01, 2024 @07:32AM (#39892994)
Big business is easily won over with tax cuts and cheap labor. I don't think there is any question that big business prefers the "lax" regulatory environment the GOP offers.

You hope the deep state and big business can limit Trump's power, but it doesn't take a lot of effort to find historic precedence that those are hopeful limits rather than practical ones, thinking otherwise is American exceptionalism.

Re:Why Are Older Americans Drinking So Much? by emmelaich on Tuesday April 02, 2024 @10:02PM (#39912880)
I appreciate your scepticism towards hope, however the USA is exceptional in the sense it has never had a dictator or monarch - at least since the War of Independence.
Re:Why Are Older Americans Drinking So Much? by hayst4ck on Saturday April 06, 2024 @06:31PM (#39956263)
I think you should step back and appreciate the implications of the 22nd amendment, including when it was enacted and why.

I am pretty confident that most of our founding fathers would disagree with your complacence.

Re:Why Are Older Americans Drinking So Much? by dragonwriter on Saturday April 06, 2024 @06:37PM (#39956301)
The time between when what became the USA had a monarch and now is shorter than the time between when Rome was a Kingdom and the end of the Republic.

There is nothing all that exceptional about the fact that the US has gone a bit under 250 years without either a monarch or dictator.

Re:Why Are Older Americans Drinking So Much? by dllthomas on Saturday April 06, 2024 @07:40PM (#39956722)
It's not unique, but I'm not sure it's not exceptional.
Re:Why Are Older Americans Drinking So Much? by Gibson_v1 on Saturday March 30, 2024 @08:36PM (#39880167)
These replies are pretty wild lol. "Dooms Day is imminent so chug poison you naive fool! Only if you knew what was really happening you'd be chugging poison to prepare!"
Re:Why Are Older Americans Drinking So Much? by forgetfreeman on Sunday March 31, 2024 @10:44PM (#39890414)
What's wild is there are alleged adults navigating the world that simply refuse to acknowledge the current state of play globally, which in turn guarantees most if not all of the worst outcomes folks who are actually paying attention are concerned about.
Re:Why Are Older Americans Drinking So Much? by forgetfreeman on Sunday March 31, 2024 @02:55AM (#39882030)
You new to this planet or something? Literally -nothing- is fine. Pretending otherwise serves no end and makes you look uninformed or delusional.