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Re:Backdoor in upstream xz/liblzma leading to SSH server com... by moritonal on Friday March 29, 2024 @07:08PM (#39870026)
Warning, drunk brain talking. But a LLM driven email based "collaborator" could play a very long gMw adding basic features to a code made whilst earning trust backed by a generated online presence. My money is on a resurgance in the Web of Trust.
Re:Backdoor in upstream xz/liblzma leading to SSH server com... by jnxx on Friday March 29, 2024 @07:40PM (#39870254)
The web of trust is a really nice idea, but it works badly against that kind of attacks. Just consider that in the real world, most living people (all eight billions) are linked by only six degrees of separation. It really works, for code and for trusted social relations (like "I lend you 100 bucks and you pay me them back when you get your salary") mostly when you know the code author in person.

This is also not a new insight. In the beginning of the naughties, there was a web site named kuro5hin.org, which experiemented with user ratings and trust networks. It turned out impossible to prevent take-overs.

Re:Backdoor in upstream xz/liblzma leading to SSH server com... by groby_b on Friday March 29, 2024 @08:08PM (#39870419)
IIRC, kuro5hin and others all left out a crucial step in the web-of-trust approach: There were absolutely no repercussions when you extended trust to somebody who later turned out to be a bad actor.

It considers trust to be an individual metric instead of leaning more into the graph.

(There are other issues, e.g. the fact that "trust" isn't a universal metric either, but context dependent. There are folks whom you'd absolutely trust to e.g. do great & reliable work in a security context, but you'd still not hand them the keys to your car)

At least kuro5hin modeled a degradation of trust over time, which most models still skip.

It'd be a useful thing, but we have a long way to go before there's a working version.

Re:Backdoor in upstream xz/liblzma leading to SSH server com... by account42 on Thursday April 04, 2024 @05:26AM (#39928222)
Once you add punishment for handing out trust to bad actors, even in good faith (which you can't prove/disprove anyway), then you also need to somehow provide siginificant rewardsf for handing out trust to good actors - otherwise everyone is going to play it safe and not vouch for anyone and your system becomes useless.
Re:Backdoor in upstream xz/liblzma leading to SSH server com... by vintermann on Saturday March 30, 2024 @04:06AM (#39872830)
There were experiments back in the day. Slashdot had one system based on randomly assigned moderation duty which worked pretty great actually, except that for the longest time you couldn't sort by it.

Kuro5hin had a system which didn't work at all, as you mentioned.

But the best was probably Raph Levien's Advogato. That had a web of trust system which actually worked. But had a pretty limited scope (open source devs).

Now everyone just slaps an upvote/downvote button on and calls it a day.

Re:Backdoor in upstream xz/liblzma leading to SSH server com... by w4ffl35 on Friday March 29, 2024 @07:25PM (#39870162)
Clearly a human is even better at it.
Re:Backdoor in upstream xz/liblzma leading to SSH server com... by cyanydeez on Friday March 29, 2024 @07:42PM (#39870268)
State actors have equaly long horizons to compromise
Re:Backdoor in upstream xz/liblzma leading to SSH server com... by llmblockchain on Friday March 29, 2024 @07:38PM (#39870245)
State level actor? China?
Re:Backdoor in upstream xz/liblzma leading to SSH server com... by logankeenan on Saturday March 30, 2024 @10:39AM (#39875319)
You're likely being downvoted because the Github profile looking like east Asian isn't evidence of where the attacker/attackers are from.

Nation states will go to long lengths to disguise their identity. Using broken Russian English when they are not Russian, putting comments in the code of another language, and all sorts of other things to create misdirection.

Re:Backdoor in upstream xz/liblzma leading to SSH server com... by llmblockchain on Saturday March 30, 2024 @01:36PM (#39876845)
That's certainly true-- at the very least it "seems" like Asian, but it could very well be from any nation. If they were patient enough to work up to this point they would likely not be dumb enough to leak such information.
Re:Backdoor in upstream xz/liblzma leading to SSH server com... by account42 on Thursday April 04, 2024 @05:29AM (#39928234)
Otoh with these kind of kneejerk "antiracist" reactions the best way to disguise a chinese operative becomes to prentend you're chinese.