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Re:The man who bought Pine Bluff, Arkansas (2022) by ashleyn on Saturday March 23, 2024 @05:06PM (#39803092)
Reading this was difficult.

* What exactly was his plan for the building? I don't see anything coherent. One moment it's a makerspace, another it's a music warehouse, then it's a science museum. Was there a coherent plan? $281k is a lot of money to spend with no real plan.

* The city allegedly giving him grief. I'm still not sure if this was preventable or not considering the bit about how he failed to submit building plans. If your plan is to own a significant chunk of this city, you're going to have to play better politics than repeatedly being asked to leave at public functions. Palm-greasing would be a far better strategy than righteous anger. Maybe a fraction of that $900k could've opened a nice park they always wanted. Maybe the PD needs a new bearcat. Something.

* Living in a tent on the lot instead of hiring security. This bit was straight out of some episode of a sitcom. This is a depressed flyover country town. If you couldn't afford security then you couldn't afford the building. Again, a good chunk of that $900k would cover round-the-clock security for at least a year. Righteous indignation over the crime isn't an actual cost-cutting measure.

* The land is cheap for a reason. The way a town gets revitalised is external value flows in. How would the makerspace-warehouse-museum thing bring that value into the city? Even if all this did pan out, I'd predict an entirely new problem he'd have, which is no willing customers outside of a 200 mile radius.

I don't get why people make cockeyed "investments" like these when the S&P 500 is sitting right there at a nice 8% a year. No bums, no politics, no thinking it through at all really. Just buy it and don't touch it. If your idea can't do better than that intersection of earnings and effort, don't bother with it.

Re:The man who bought Pine Bluff, Arkansas (2022) by resolutebat on Saturday March 23, 2024 @06:49PM (#39803583)
He was living in a tent and subsisting off ramen until he landed the $900k windfall, which he proceeded to squander on unrelated properties.

But yeah, the total lack of security is astonishing, you'd think he could afford to hire a security guard: the main theft happened after he got the windfall and could easily have paid for it.

Re:The man who bought Pine Bluff, Arkansas (2022) by thepasswordis on Saturday March 23, 2024 @08:14PM (#39804012)
>which he proceeded to squander on unrelated properties.

He bought 74 parcels of land in the town, including a house which he moved into, for around $140k.

Re:The man who bought Pine Bluff, Arkansas (2022) by resolutebat on Saturday March 23, 2024 @08:37PM (#39804129)
Buying a house for himself makes sense, but it's still not related to the business, and the other 73 are just dead weight.
Re:The man who bought Pine Bluff, Arkansas (2022) by whatshisface on Sunday March 24, 2024 @03:19AM (#39805598)
I don't see why everyone's trying to prove that they're smarter than this guy. If the town turns around it'll have been a great real estate gamble. May we all live long enough to see the outcome.
Re:The man who bought Pine Bluff, Arkansas (2022) by bbarnett on Sunday March 24, 2024 @03:29AM (#39805627)
Plus, the 74 houses were all part of the same auction! That's what I gathered at least.

And there are benefits to those houses. He could, for example, pick nicer ones and hire people for security and give them free rent in a house as part of their job. With what he paid, he could even give them a "rent to own" mortgage!

He could include the house, and even just minimum wage. Minimum wage is a livable wage in a very, very economically depressed area (look at what housing costs here!), but at the same time, minimum wage + free housing or rent to own housing is a great wage.

He could start a hacker hostel. Those houses give loads of opportunity.

He just needs to stabilize things a bit. But security would do that. Especially if security = 20 people. He just needs a real business plan, or at least to move towards something.

Another way to look at it is, imagine if he used the house to hire security, maintenance people, groundskeepers, cleaning personelle/janitors, and on and on.

Now, he's a major employer in the area.

Now, those left that are honest? Are actively fighting to protect their jobs!

Re:The man who bought Pine Bluff, Arkansas (2022) by jonwest on Sunday March 24, 2024 @12:34PM (#39808236)
Those are all great ideas! That’s the kind of focused “make your investments help you towards your goals” implementations that I see lacking in the overall approach of the person in the article, though. Those _would_ be good ideas, but instead they’re fighting with the people that could help his plans move forward (council) and sleeping in a tent in danger.
Re:The man who bought Pine Bluff, Arkansas (2022) by ac29 on Sunday March 24, 2024 @12:38PM (#39808263)
He bought 74 houses at an average price of $2000 each. I'd suspect many of not most of them were in uninhabitable condition, at least without additional investment and maintenance.
Re:The man who bought Pine Bluff, Arkansas (2022) by lostlogin on Sunday March 24, 2024 @01:05PM (#39808458)
I wonder what property tax is like - this would amount to more than the purchase price if it’s anything like as high as where I am.
Re:The man who bought Pine Bluff, Arkansas (2022) by bbarnett on Sunday March 24, 2024 @02:58PM (#39809354)
Property tax is often indexed to property value.
Re:The man who bought Pine Bluff, Arkansas (2022) by bbarnett on Sunday March 24, 2024 @03:43PM (#39809760)
It depends.

Where I live, the city is legally bound to seize and then auction off houses for unpaid property tax.

There are even interesting things, such a legally mandated grace periods, and the original owner can buy back up to one year after auction.

And this sure sounds like a place where property taxes might default.

Re:The man who bought Pine Bluff, Arkansas (2022) by refulgentis on Sunday March 24, 2024 @07:59AM (#39806649)
- No one is trying to prove they are smarter.

- Towns don't "turn around" spontaneously.

- people don't usually gamble every dollar they have

That's why this gentleman is a great object of curiosity. He's the perfect story of sheltered, with money, hitting reality and being flummoxed.

Re:The man who bought Pine Bluff, Arkansas (2022) by berniedurfee on Sunday March 24, 2024 @05:38PM (#39810748)
How many people can say they own 74 houses. That might be the end game.
Re:The man who bought Pine Bluff, Arkansas (2022) by Nextgrid on Saturday March 23, 2024 @05:28PM (#39803201)
Sadly this whole story & his YT channel looks like witnessing a man's slow descent into madness, like the meatspace equivalent of TempleOS.
Re:The man who bought Pine Bluff, Arkansas (2022) by toss1 on Saturday March 23, 2024 @07:24PM (#39803755)
I was thinking the cheap warehouse made sense if it were to be a warehouse/logistics operation. But then a makerspace, without a huge quantity of makers living nearby - huh?

Then after discovering that he is a far above average target, and getting a windfall and bringing all his gear and customer's property to the site, he gets no security?

Definitely seems to be a few cards short of a deck and have more money than sense. I hope he doesn't get himself or his family killed if one of those robberies goes bad.

Re:The man who bought Pine Bluff, Arkansas (2022) by ryandrake on Sunday March 24, 2024 @08:47AM (#39806883)
None of his ideas make sense. It just sounds like he has this picture of a life in his head, but it's not even remotely his. The last line is particularly baffling:

> “It'd be freaking fantastic to own a hotel, and like, have rooftop parties and turn the whole top floor into a penthouse for me. You know? Like, that's, like, how would I not want to do that?

Dude? Who the fuck are you going to be partying with? The town is full of criminals who steal from you. A makerspace? Where are the makers? An art studio? Where are the artists? Your town is "MAGA, drugs and crime" as an HNer put it in the previous article about this saga. Where is all of this culture going to magically come from, besides your imagination?

This guy seems like the true "If You Build It They Will Come" believer, but he's not even building anything. And even if he does Build It, the place seems like too much of a shithole for anyone to actually come.

Re:The man who bought Pine Bluff, Arkansas (2022) by riehwvfbk on Sunday March 24, 2024 @10:30AM (#39807455)
This particular town is majority Black, so I doubt the MAGA vibe is strong.

Also, if you research the town, it looks like a big casino was just built there, at the cost of $350M. Which would suggest that the RE investments this guy made might just pay out, and that the town leadership was in fact maliciously trying to get rid of him (so that someone else would profit from the appeciation).

Re:The man who bought Pine Bluff, Arkansas (2022) by ryandrake on Sunday March 24, 2024 @11:05AM (#39807683)
> This particular town is majority Black, so I doubt the MAGA vibe is strong.

Yep, according to Wikipedia, you're absolutely right. Strike the "MAGA" part from my comment!

But, plopping a casino into an already-crappy town is not going to make it less crappy.

And, to be fair, if his plan was to help the city, plopping a makerspace or art studio, or a science museum isn't going to move the crappiness needle either. There's no silver bullet building that fixes poverty and misery. It's not like SimCity where you sprinkle your city with evenly spaced bonus-providing buildings and suddenly all your metrics start going up.

If his plan wasn't to help the city, but to arbitrage the low property values into a profitable business, then he should have bought strip mall properties and installed the usual turnkey check cashing stores, liquor stores, payday lenders, and so on. Not easy businesses, but at least they are understandable to the city and have a chance at being profitable.

If his plan was to just speculate on real estate and hope that some miracle happens that raises property values, that's just high stakes gambling. Good for him if it pays off and he can flip these properties to another sucker for a profit.

If it wasn't any of these, then honestly I don't get what his plan was. I'm going to buy a bunch of random real estate in a dilapidated city and... then... do what? Sit there getting robbed every time you move anything of value into those properties?

Re:The man who bought Pine Bluff, Arkansas (2022) by riehwvfbk on Sunday March 24, 2024 @11:11AM (#39807717)
I'm just saying he may still get lucky even though he had no plan at all.
Re:The man who bought Pine Bluff, Arkansas (2022) by devilbunny on Sunday March 24, 2024 @11:17AM (#39807743)
The town is 75% black. Not exactly MAGA central.

Though in terms of openness to, say, LGBTQ, it definitely isn't going to be the most welcoming place.

Re:The man who bought Pine Bluff, Arkansas (2022) by justadolphinnn on Sunday March 24, 2024 @07:30PM (#39811487)
Skin colour doesn't really have anything to do with with whether they are MAGA or not, statistically speaking. My family and most homies I know don't care for either Trump or Biden though that's obviously some first hand stuff but lines up with the stats. Obama was the last good one anyway.
Re:The man who bought Pine Bluff, Arkansas (2022) by IncreasePosts on Sunday March 24, 2024 @09:24PM (#39812104)
Yes, it does. About 12% of black people voted for trump whereas 58% of white people voted for Trump. A random white person is about 5x more likely to be a MAGA-hat wearer compared to a random black person.

https://www.cnn.com/election/2020/exit-polls/president/natio...

Re:The man who bought Pine Bluff, Arkansas (2022) by toss1 on Monday March 25, 2024 @11:08AM (#39817266)
I've got to ask what is with those family and people you know -one candidate literally worked the first black VP, has a black VP, and is literally doing all he can to help lift POCs, and the other is blatantly racist, claims that elections were "stolen" by black people being allowed to vote, and with a party apparatus doing everything possible to disenfranchise black ppl. And they DGAF which one runs the country for the next 4 years?

That is a serious question - what is their thinking or feeling that drives them to this?

Re:The man who bought Pine Bluff, Arkansas (2022) by nraynaud on Sunday March 24, 2024 @01:51AM (#39805371)
It screams of unmanaged ADHD.
Re:The man who bought Pine Bluff, Arkansas (2022) by ShamelessC on Sunday March 24, 2024 @05:34AM (#39806033)
I’m pretty sure it goes well beyond ADHD.
Re:The man who bought Pine Bluff, Arkansas (2022) by 2devnull on Sunday March 24, 2024 @10:15AM (#39807358)
NPD? bipolar mania? The altercations with city council are suggestive.
Re:The man who bought Pine Bluff, Arkansas (2022) by ShamelessC on Sunday March 24, 2024 @04:02PM (#39809969)
Yeah I would have suggested manic episodes (as someone who also has bipolar).
Re:The man who bought Pine Bluff, Arkansas (2022) by 2devnull on Sunday March 24, 2024 @09:31PM (#39812142)
Spending money excessively is a pretty classic symptom. Mania looks like adhd, but accomplishes much more.
Re:The man who bought Pine Bluff, Arkansas (2022) by throwaway9917 on Sunday March 24, 2024 @03:14AM (#39805582)
Let's be real here. The dude is Mormon and has autism. Both of these things predispose someone to believe in formal rules over things that people think but don't say. Obviously the people selling him the property priced it based on what everyone thinks, but doesn't say, except in the prices of their offers to sell. The sad part is just that the strength of America has historically been that the difference between what people think and what people say has been small, but lately it has been trending larger.
Re:The man who bought Pine Bluff, Arkansas (2022) by ryandrake on Sunday March 24, 2024 @08:40AM (#39806851)
> The city allegedly giving him grief. I'm still not sure if this was preventable or not considering the bit about how he failed to submit building plans. If your plan is to own a significant chunk of this city, you're going to have to play better politics than repeatedly being asked to leave at public functions.

Maybe it's just because I don't live in a depressed area like this, but I simply don't understand the city's motivation for being a pain in the ass here. I mean, pretend you're the mayor or city council of this town. Industry has left. The jobs have left. Your schools suck. The state and country is ignoring you. Your citizens are spiraling into poverty, drugs, and crime. A wacky entrepreneur moves in, and would like to take a shot at revitalization.

And you're worried about architectural drawings and building codes?????

Even if the guy is has weird ideas, why would you make it your job to get up his ass when he appears to at least be trying to do something positive?

It's hinted in the article that the local government has its own (lame) revitalization plans, which will also not work, and sees this guy as competition. So silly. No wonder it sucks living in these hopeless places.

Re:The man who bought Pine Bluff, Arkansas (2022) by Cheer2171 on Sunday March 24, 2024 @09:26AM (#39807079)
> And you're worried about architectural drawings and building codes?????

The most important reason why building codes exist is for safety. The buildings have been abandoned for some time and are likely in deep disrepair. It seems the city wants to know that if their children go to the science museum, it won't collapse or burn down. This guy is not an architect or engineer, and hasn't even hired one. If the city had building codes but didn't enforce them, and some tragedy happened, they might even be liable legally. They would definitely be liable politically if a big tragedy happened.

Re:The man who bought Pine Bluff, Arkansas (2022) by jonwest on Sunday March 24, 2024 @12:41PM (#39808291)
That’s the thing! Even if the city had plans of their own, I’d be willing to bet if this guy came in with any sort of backing beyond “well I’ve got my own ideas!” in the way of actual (architectural/engineering) drawings, (time/financial) budgets, etc, he’d have a lot better luck.

Also—like other people have said, if the city are assholes, that sucks, but he’s still going to be fighting a steeper uphill battle on his plans and investments without them behind him—suck it up and learn to work with them or it’s going to be that much harder to not only get started on his current plans, but also his longer term plans of revitalization.

Maybe a great piece of software can be built as a single person working alone, fighting the odds and pissing people off, but I can’t see that approach working for building a town full of people.

Re:The man who bought Pine Bluff, Arkansas (2022) by blindstitch on Sunday March 24, 2024 @10:45AM (#39807534)
Some development boards and city councils definitely have a talent for shooting themselves in the foot, but the man is outright antagonistic to them and has been for years. Before you can build you have to do some legwork in advance and show the development board that your plans are going to be compliant. The board wants to be assured that the plan won't have safety or nuisance issues for the town. In some cases they want to have a guarantee that development will actually happen. In each case, Pine Bluff presents very low bars to development that this guy repeatedly fails to meet.

IMO this is not a case of a nimby board standing in the way of an eccentric trying to innovate. The problem is that he has made himself known to this board as an unserious crank who does not show the board respect for their processes. He has been approved for several different uses at the site and failed to follow through on any of them. He demands special permissions while actively campaigning against their plans. If he could show a good faith effort to help the town build upon what the electeds are doing he might have a fighting chance, but he instead goes around talking shit about them anywhere he can.

Re:The man who bought Pine Bluff, Arkansas (2022) by bglazer on Sunday March 24, 2024 @10:46AM (#39807548)
Wacky entrepreneur moves in, builds go kart track in abandoned warehouse. No safety precautions are taken whatsoever. Kids come for birthday party. Go kart catches on fire, the warehouse fills with smoke. The kids die.

For a less hypothetical scenario, its not hard to see the parallels with another wacky entrepreneur and a submarine that eschewed traditional safety concerns

Re:The man who bought Pine Bluff, Arkansas (2022) by pfooti on Sunday March 24, 2024 @11:21AM (#39807777)
> And you're worried about architectural drawings and building codes?????

Building codes, like several other categories of regulations that can at times feel oppressive or arbitrary, tend to be written in the blood of accident victims. See, for example the ghost ship fire in my recent memory of why they are important even if (especially if) you are using an under utilized space

Re:The man who bought Pine Bluff, Arkansas (2022) by astrange on Sunday March 24, 2024 @05:22PM (#39810638)
Building codes are not a good example for this one, partly because the ones in America/Canada are clearly less safe than Europe and we don't seem to care, but also because you can just go back and read early 1900s planners talking about them and they will explicitly say "it is our goal to make safety rules stricter for apartment buildings than single family homes so they'll cost more to build because we want to stop black people from moving in."
Re:The man who bought Pine Bluff, Arkansas (2022) by mionhe on Monday March 25, 2024 @02:57PM (#39820024)
Can you give an example?
Re:The man who bought Pine Bluff, Arkansas (2022) by astrange on Monday March 25, 2024 @07:05PM (#39822254)
"[D]o everything possible in our laws to encourage the construction of private dwellings and even two- family dwellings, because the two-family house is the next least objectionable type, and penalize so far as we can in our statute, the multiple dwelling of any kind... If we require multiple dwellings to be fireproof, and thus increase the cost of construction; if we require stairs to be fireproofed, even where there are only three families; if we require fire escapes and a host of other things, all dealing with fire protection, we are on safe grounds, because that can be justified as a legitimate exercise of the police power... In our laws let most of the fire provisions relate solely to multiple dwellings, and allow our private houses and two-family houses to be built with no fire protection whatever (NHA Proceedings 1913, 212)."

Another notable quote is Euclid v. Ambler, where SCOTUS legalized the US zoning system and in their opinion said it was good to ban apartment buildings because they were "parasites".

Of course, this is partly about not liking poor people as well as minorities, but if you leave it in place this long it eventually becomes a ban on your own children living in the same state as you.

These things were introduced at the same time as racial convenants (where a developer would construct a neighborhood and require its houses to only ever be sold to white people), and mostly for the same reason; they merely weren't repealed when that one was. For the racial details, see the book "The Color of Law".