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Re:US Gov announces $8.5B preliminary CHIPS investment agree... by bhhaskin on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @12:15PM (#39768608)
This isn't really a startup kinda business. It costs something like $10b to build a new fab.
Re:US Gov announces $8.5B preliminary CHIPS investment agree... by mrd3v0 on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @12:25PM (#39768774)
Any industry wouldn't be "really a startup kinda business" if only a few players are pumped more than everyone else combined by orders of magnitude. Having to scale to everyone's demand is a lot more costly than if the market was fragmented.
Re:US Gov announces $8.5B preliminary CHIPS investment agree... by Aloisius on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @07:21PM (#39773213)
It's not just scale. Even Intel's development fabs cost billions to build.

The equipment and facilities required for cutting edge fabs are very expensive.

Re:US Gov announces $8.5B preliminary CHIPS investment agree... by uptownfunk on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @12:21PM (#39768701)
Isn’t that what they said about rockets?
Re:US Gov announces $8.5B preliminary CHIPS investment agree... by dotnet00 on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @01:13PM (#39769423)
Rockets turned out to be expensive not because the technology demanded it, but because the companies were intentionally inefficient, e.g. it was actually fine to build a rocket in a tent with simple tools than to setup a massive clean room facility. This was fine because the government would hand them a blank check with a guaranteed profit percentage, and the handful of commercial customers would just swallow the cost.

However, it isn't as clear if the same applies to semiconductors, since even a bit of dust is indeed a serious problem for producing a chip where the transistors are much smaller than most dust. Until very recently there were no blank checks, every improvement required mostly private investment, so it's less likely that the inefficiencies are intentional.

Re:US Gov announces $8.5B preliminary CHIPS investment agree... by bhhaskin on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @12:47PM (#39769073)
The big difference there is SpaceX was able to incrementally build up. Falcon 1, Falcon 9, Falcon heavy, Starship. Each step allowed them to prove that it worked and gain investors and government contracts.

Who in their right mind would invest $10b just to build the manufacturing capability without having a well established product? And if you have a well established product are you still a startup?

Re:US Gov announces $8.5B preliminary CHIPS investment agree... by qaq on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @01:08PM (#39769359)
The equipment to manufacture rockets costs many orders of magnitude less than equipment for a FAB. It also does not get obsolete quickly.
Re:US Gov announces $8.5B preliminary CHIPS investment agree... by p1esk on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @01:12PM (#39769408)
Musk should have spent 44B on a chip company.
Re:US Gov announces $8.5B preliminary CHIPS investment agree... by 34679 on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @03:12PM (#39770767)
That's where the innovation comes in.