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Re:DNA Tests Are Uncovering the True Prevalence of Incest by bookofjoe on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @09:48AM (#39766461)
Re:DNA Tests Are Uncovering the True Prevalence of Incest by afpx on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @09:27AM (#39766156)
Not surprising. Natural selection doesn't care about morality. We're all descended from rapists and murderers.
Re:DNA Tests Are Uncovering the True Prevalence of Incest by iainmerrick on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @09:45AM (#39766407)
That's rather inflammatory, but taking your comment at face value, I highly recommend "The Evolution of Cooperation" for a very detailed and nuanced exploration of this idea.
Re:DNA Tests Are Uncovering the True Prevalence of Incest by afpx on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @10:24AM (#39767029)
Thanks, I'll check it out. Also, see "The Better Angels of our Nature"
Re:DNA Tests Are Uncovering the True Prevalence of Incest by simonblack on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @08:57PM (#39773848)
If you take the bible on face value, you can easily see that every single one of us has incest in our family history.
Re:DNA Tests Are Uncovering the True Prevalence of Incest by csomar on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @11:19AM (#39767846)
Do you have any evidence for that? Many animals practice rather peaceful dating. Many species of bird do regular dating and mating for life. Humans display both aspects but I don't think we have any concrete evidence about our grand-grand fathers.
Re:DNA Tests Are Uncovering the True Prevalence of Incest by O1111OOO on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @04:02PM (#39771356)
> Many animals practice rather peaceful dating.

Not OP but occasionally I come across videos of 'animals behaving really badly' so I did a quick search (below). I think we all know about male lions killing cubs that don't belong to them, dolphin's dark side, etc...

https://start.duckduckgo.com/?q=murderers+and+rapists+among+...

> I don't think we have any concrete evidence about our grand-grand fathers.

I remember getting into a discussion with someone about religion. This person hated religion. I'm not religious. He blamed religion for all the atrocities in the world. I wasn't defending religion but I like to look at both sides and said...

Maybe it's because of religion that we haven't already destroyed ourselves. At least with Christian (new testament) religion (the only one I'm passably familiar with), there are a set of rules to live by[0]:

No killing, no adultery, no stealing, no lying... etc.

** Please, I don't want to get into a religious argument. **

But, what if... religion was _invented_ by man because man himself was so murdery and rapey as OP (afpx) stated. That the only way to control him/her was by inventing a power greater than man himself. Indoctrinate man at some core level so that these tendencies could be managed somehow.

Perhaps we have come into a period where religion's influence is not needed as it once was. Perhaps we are in some transitional period. All of this is supposition for discussion (not argument), please:-)

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments?useskin=vecto...

Re:DNA Tests Are Uncovering the True Prevalence of Incest by earthling8118 on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @10:38PM (#39774411)
This isn't an uncommon thought in the slightest. I hear this used as an argument frequently. Maybe some of you need a booklet with things that you can and cannot do but many of us do not and it isn't because of a religion.
Re:DNA Tests Are Uncovering the True Prevalence of Incest by BreadPants on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @01:18PM (#39769483)
Not all, but much of western society, definitely :)
Re:DNA Tests Are Uncovering the True Prevalence of Incest by mcphage on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @03:11PM (#39770753)
> Natural selection doesn't care about morality.

Natural selection doesn't care about morality, but it does care about incest, since products of incest—especially after a few generations—tend to be markedly less fit.

Re:DNA Tests Are Uncovering the True Prevalence of Incest by johngladtj on Wednesday March 27, 2024 @10:28AM (#39839621)
That's not actually true
Re:DNA Tests Are Uncovering the True Prevalence of Incest by mcphage on Wednesday April 03, 2024 @12:14PM (#39919310)
It's not? In what way?
Re:DNA Tests Are Uncovering the True Prevalence of Incest by rossdavidh on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @09:55AM (#39766578)
Like, I'm sure it happens (we don't tend to have taboos on things unless people are at least occasionally doing them, because the point of the taboo is to make them stop), but the article's principal evidence is a single, unpublished study which estimated it at one in 7000.

I mean, clearly the prevalence is greater than 0, but the evidence for it in this article is not impressive. Even many published studies don't hold up to closer scrutiny, and this one isn't even published.

Re:DNA Tests Are Uncovering the True Prevalence of Incest by pseudolus on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @09:08AM (#39765902)
https://archive.ph/YEzVY

Edited to substitute archive link for shortened link.

Re:DNA Tests Are Uncovering the True Prevalence of Incest by ksherlock on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @09:11AM (#39765944)
Dude that's a shortened link to the same article.

    HTTP/2 301
    location: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2024/03/dna-tests-incest/677791/
Re:DNA Tests Are Uncovering the True Prevalence of Incest by pseudolus on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @09:17AM (#39766010)
Thanks. I've corrected the error.
Re:DNA Tests Are Uncovering the True Prevalence of Incest by willcipriano on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @09:37AM (#39766280)
Also infidelity. Way more common than anyone had assumed and that was back when people were religious.
Re:DNA Tests Are Uncovering the True Prevalence of Incest by 082349872349872 on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @09:40AM (#39766332)
> back when people were religious

The way I heard it, the etymology of "nepotism" is that nephews were involved because of course priests don't have sons.

Re:DNA Tests Are Uncovering the True Prevalence of Incest by greatpostman on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @09:44AM (#39766390)
A biology professor at Stanford claims it’s in the 10% range in modern times
Re:DNA Tests Are Uncovering the True Prevalence of Incest by bookofjoe on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @09:51AM (#39766508)
Re:DNA Tests Are Uncovering the True Prevalence of Incest by greatpostman on Wednesday March 20, 2024 @09:56AM (#39766590)
The number is highly political