Arthropod Intelligence? The Case for Portia (2020)

Re:Arthropod Intelligence? The Case for Portia (2020) by 0xE1337DAD on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @02:35PM (#39695494)

Children of Time is my favorite sci fi novel. The sequel isn't bad either, the 3rd one gets a little weird, but i thought the argument about "sentience" != "intelligence" was an interesting one. This is a prevailing theme in Blindsight by Peter Watts too, but I felt the technobabble really took away from the theme and distracted from story.

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Re:Arthropod Intelligence? The Case for Portia (2020) by duskwuff on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @02:58PM (#39695834)

> This is a prevailing theme in Blindsight by Peter Watts too

Portia is explicitly referenced in the sequel Echopraxia.

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Re:Arthropod Intelligence? The Case for Portia (2020) by gpderetta on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @04:25PM (#39696992)

Indeed, but I think parent was referring to "sentience" != "intelligence" .

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Re:Arthropod Intelligence? The Case for Portia (2020) by stanac on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @03:36PM (#39696347)

Third book is a bit weird, but I enjoyed the second book more than the first one. I don't want to spoil the book for anyone but new intelligent species were shocking and more interesting than spiders. Now I have have to check what Tchaikovsky will publish this year.

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Re:Arthropod Intelligence? The Case for Portia (2020) by 0xE1337DAD on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @04:28PM (#39697035)

I've been going through his whole filmography and haven't run into anything I've disliked yet. Much of it is in an audiobook format on your local library app.

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Re:Arthropod Intelligence? The Case for Portia (2020) by nozzlegear on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @08:49PM (#39699397)

I'm about two hours into the audiobook version of Dogs of War by Tchaikovsky. The narration is a little rough on the non-dog chapters, but the plot and setting is interesting so far.

I'll always recommend his Shards of Earth series for sci-fi enjoyers, I love the worldbuilding in this one. And if you're really into the intelligent animal/alternate timelines tropes, his Doors of Eden wasn't a bad read either.

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Re:Arthropod Intelligence? The Case for Portia (2020) by nozzlegear on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @03:27PM (#39696226)

The third book of the series was my favorite thanks to those two corvid characters (the sentience versus intelligence being alluded to, for those who haven't read the book). Their little monologue (duologue? actually, monologue?) to Doctor Kern about sentience at the end of the book was so interesting.

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Re:Arthropod Intelligence? The Case for Portia (2020) by MiguelHudnandez on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @02:43PM (#39695639)

This reminded me of Blindsight as well. The fact that intelligence does not have to present in a way that's familiar to us is important to keep in mind.

Thank you for bringing up Children of Time... off to go get it.

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Re:Arthropod Intelligence? The Case for Portia (2020) by dudinax on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @04:20PM (#39696923)

And of course the classic of Sci-Fi of unusual intelligence: Solaris by Stanislaw Lem.

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Re:Arthropod Intelligence? The Case for Portia (2020) by 7thaccount on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @03:38PM (#39696366)

One reason why I wonder if communications with extraterrestrials will ever be as simple as we hope.

We struggle to communicate with our own species and other creatures that are related to us.

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Re:Arthropod Intelligence? The Case for Portia (2020) by throwanem on Wednesday March 13, 2024 @06:33PM (#39698405)

"If a lion could speak, we could not understand him."

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