News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account by fragmede on Friday March 08, 2024 @10:04PM (#39649086)
> Also, Apple out their foot down against carrier nonsense

This is the main point, not the "also". Apple's revolution was actually getting it in the hands of real life consumers who paid for cell phone plans. The tech was already there with blackberry, but you had to have business to afford it. Yes, the original iPhone itself was a technical marvel, but it would have been a dead fish if it wasn't for the at& t deal that came out as part of it.

Re:Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account by leptons on Saturday March 09, 2024 @12:42AM (#39649677)
>the original iPhone itself was a technical marvel

Apple didn't invent anything in the original iPhone, except the software. And the first version was really lacking and very buggy.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/steve-jobs-rigged-first-iphon...

Other phones that predated the iPhone release had more capabilities and more software. There was nothing really "marvelous" about the original iPhone, it was many years behind Microsoft.

The HTC Wizard was a "technical marvel" in 2005. Apple was playing catch-up in 2007.

Re:Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account by fragmede on Saturday March 09, 2024 @11:33PM (#39656729)
You're right. The "technical marvel" of the iPhone was the size of its battery. Treo's and Blackberry's were already there with the hardware. But the software. Apple's pretty good with software, so their implementation also made a difference.
Re:Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account by leptons on Sunday March 10, 2024 @01:25PM (#39660841)
The iPhone had a non-removable battery, which was a step backwards for consumers. And there was nothing special about it.

At the time I had an HTC TyTN 2 phone that did everything the iPhone could do and more, and had a removable battery, about the same size as the battery inside the iPhone 1. If you look at photos of the TyTN 2 battery, and the iPhone 1 battery, they are very close to the same size.

There was very little difference between those batteries. The TyTN 2 had a 1350mA hour lithium battery. The iPhone 1 had a 1400mA hour lithium battery. Practically no difference there in size or capacity.

So, no, the iPhone's battery was not a "technical marvel" any more than other phones of that era.

And in fact Apple's was a step back by being non-removable. I absolutely loved having a removable battery, because I could bring 2 or 3 with me on a long trip and never have to charge the phone. Apple was less functional in that way.

Re:Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account by fragmede on Sunday March 10, 2024 @05:08PM (#39662544)
I can't comment on the TyTN2, but I'm thinking back to Blackberry employees (CEO?) saying

> "The iPhone "couldn’t do what [Apple was] demonstrating without an insanely power hungry processor, it must have terrible battery life," Shacknews poster Kentor heard from his former colleagues of the time. "Imagine their surprise [at RIM] when they disassembled an iPhone for the first time and found that the phone was battery with a tiny logic board strapped to it."

https://www.redmondpie.com/blackberry-maker-rim-thought-appl...

Re:Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account by leptons on Monday March 11, 2024 @02:36AM (#39665410)
That's your rebuttal?? The engineers at blackberry were pretty inept and stuck in the past, which is why they're no longer in business. That article contributes nothing towards your claim that the first iPhone was a "technical marvel". I cited an example of a phone released in 2007 that had the same battery tech that Apple had. Was that also a "technical marvel"? And the model before it and the one before that? Apple didn't do anything groundbreaking in the first iPhone except maybe a capacitive touchscreen, which wasn't anything they invented, they were around long before the iphone.
Re:Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account by amluto on Saturday March 09, 2024 @10:58AM (#39652487)
> but you had to have business to afford it.

This was a marketing and perception issue, not a price issue. When the original iPhone came out, I had a very nice blackberry, with a personal plan, effectively unlimited data, and the full blackberry suite (minus corporate integration, obviously). And I think it was less expensive than the iPhone plan. But it was a pain in the neck! I had to pick the correct phone plan, add the correct data supplement, negotiate the correct discount (basically everyone was eligible for a discount, but you had to find your particular reason for being eligible in a ridiculous menu), and then convince the sales person to add the special $3.99/mo supplement for blackberry services. It clearly never occurred to anyone involved that this was not a competent way to sell to consumers!

I did make fun of my friends for paying several dollars more per month for a device with no keyboard, no GPS, slower data, less efficient text input, and dramatically worse performance in marginal network conditions.

When I finally switched to an iPhone 3G, I could do real in the browser, but wow, the ability to make phone calls was seriously downgraded. I feel like my old blackberry may have had the best behaved cellular modem of any smart device I’ve ever owned.

I think that, if RIM had gotten YouTube and a music player working, had improved the web browser, and stuck a capacitive touch sensor on their device, and if they had marketed it competently (make it so that customers could walk into a store, pay $55/mo, and walk away with a working device without a fight!), they might have remained competitive.