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Re:California Approves Waymo Expansion to Los Angeles and SF... by hiddencost on Friday March 01, 2024 @07:01PM (#39568360)
It sucks because we don't fund it. Europe does fine.
Re:California Approves Waymo Expansion to Los Angeles and SF... by hn_throwaway_99 on Friday March 01, 2024 @07:16PM (#39568500)
I hate the comparisons to Europe, because they're apples to oranges. I've been in European cities and I totally agree, it's a joy to be able to take public transit and/or walk everywhere. But most European cities were built long before the car.

Older US cities (Boston, NY) have great public transit/walking options, though I agree deferred maintenance is taking its toll. But if you look at cities designed around the car, for many of them it's just prohibitively expensive to add things like light rail or subways now. Austin TX will be adding more light rail, but the price tag keeps exploding and the route keeps getting shorter.

I'd be curious if anyone could point to any city that was built around the car where they subsequently made substantial public transit improvements that carry more than, say, 10% of commuters.

Re:California Approves Waymo Expansion to Los Angeles and SF... by BadHumans on Friday March 01, 2024 @07:22PM (#39568555)
Amsterdam and Paris used to be both be very car dependent. Here is a video about Amsterdam before they shunned cars.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI5pbDFDZyI

Re:California Approves Waymo Expansion to Los Angeles and SF... by coalteddy on Saturday March 02, 2024 @11:43AM (#39573711)
US cities love their cars. Not even in city centers do they prioritize pedestrians over cars. That has nothing to do with apples or oranges. It's a priority thing and not costs. There is no reason to need cars in city centers. Makes cities ugly, loud and dangerous compared to europe or asia.
Re:California Approves Waymo Expansion to Los Angeles and SF... by Aloisius on Friday March 01, 2024 @07:49PM (#39568732)
Europe doesn't really do fine. Outside a handful of cities, cars are the dominant form of transit there too.
Re:California Approves Waymo Expansion to Los Angeles and SF... by renewiltord on Friday March 01, 2024 @07:33PM (#39568643)
Almost everything where people ask for "more funding", that service is junk and adding money just means you go from getting junk for cheap to getting junk for expensive. I've seen zero cases of it going from junk to even mediocre. I've seen numerous examples of junk going from cheap junk to expensive junk, especially in US public services.

The "more funding" is always allocated towards existing rent-seekers.

And my opinion with getting junk is that if I'm getting it, I want to be paying as little for it as possible.

As a quick test for what you feel, try this. You read a headline that says "This city school received the most government funding of any school in the US". Do you think that school is "great" / "mediocre" / "crap"? My personal immediate inclination is that the school is probably shit.