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Re:Company forgets why they exist after 11-week migration to... by darkwater on Friday March 01, 2024 @05:27AM (#39560446)
At $dayjob we are in the middle of such a migration, started 2 years ago and still less than 30% complete. Now, the guys that were most vocals about "we must go Kubernetes, kill the Monolith" etc are already playing with LLMs, and forgot about Kubernetes.

Some people just love proves of concept and the shiny next thing. I guess that role is useful, in its own way.

Re:Company forgets why they exist after 11-week migration to... by thinkingemote on Friday March 01, 2024 @05:37AM (#39560497)
Job satisfaction through new shiny tech things.

It's why many brilliant minds appear to be quite content working for unethical tech giants, advertising or surveillance companies.

The reason why the company exists doesn't matter to them.

What the company actually does outside of their computer doesn't matter to them.

The technology and their freedom to pursue the New does. Companies love the production and enthusiasm they provide and pay well for it.

(Usually these types of developers do have a conscience and it's often taken up, used and displayed in worthwhile and benevolent corporate friendly style social activism)

Re:Company forgets why they exist after 11-week migration to... by mlrtime on Friday March 01, 2024 @09:07AM (#39561890)
What you say is true, and I read it as a positive not a negative. The "unethical" part is subjective so the manipulation doesn't get to me.

I see this as positive because computer nerds (I'm one) get to be paid very well to figure out the new and shiny. It's what I'd be doing at home anyway.

Most of the time nothing of value is created (Except my amusement), but every once in a while something brilliant is, and due to scale, it can have big impact.

Re:Company forgets why they exist after 11-week migration to... by stankondrat on Saturday March 02, 2024 @06:45AM (#39571881)
> The "unethical" part is subjective so the manipulation doesn't get to me.

Good specialist engineers designed gas chambers in Nazi Germany

Re:Company forgets why they exist after 11-week migration to... by silverquiet on Saturday March 02, 2024 @10:53AM (#39573343)
Apparently you're not supposed to make comparisons to Nazi Germany (Godwin's law if you want to be too-online about it); it's considered gauche I suppose. What's funny is that that strikes me as a really good rule to follow if you do in fact want to sleepwalk your society into an analogue of Nazi Germany.
Re:Company forgets why they exist after 11-week migration to... by valval on Sunday March 03, 2024 @01:17PM (#39582919)
Seeing as the closer in ideology you seem to have to be to make such claims, I don’t believe what you’re saying is true for a second.
Re:Company forgets why they exist after 11-week migration to... by SlightlyLeftPad on Friday March 01, 2024 @05:42AM (#39560525)
I wouldn’t say this is scope creep. This is intentional resume driven development. Someone is ticking through checkboxes so they can say they’ve done X. I can say with experience that on small teams this can really grind productivity to halt really quickly. It’s often masked by a desire to solve all the problems. Well the problem with that is that no problems are solved, although certainly more are created.
Re:Company forgets why they exist after 11-week migration to... by kunley on Friday March 01, 2024 @05:36AM (#39560488)
Useful for burning company's money, perhaps?

PS. What you describe seems to be not even about PoC (the rule about PoC is that it should work at all), but about following the herd and inventing a setup to appear busy. But that'd be also not very good environment to stay at, as an employee..

Re:Company forgets why they exist after 11-week migration to... by gv83 on Friday March 01, 2024 @07:14AM (#39561033)
Bet the guys are also the ones most promoted. This is so screwed up.
Re:Company forgets why they exist after 11-week migration to... by gtirloni on Friday March 01, 2024 @05:29AM (#39560465)
Scope creep will kill any project, Kubernetes or not.
Re:Company forgets why they exist after 11-week migration to... by darkwater on Friday March 01, 2024 @05:38AM (#39560510)
No. This (and many others) are just cases of "if you can't walk, don't try to run".
Re:Company forgets why they exist after 11-week migration to... by gtirloni on Friday March 01, 2024 @06:50AM (#39560883)
You could say most people can run if they master walking first.

The problem is that companies take a Java 5 monolith without any CI/CD and want to take rewriting AND re-platforming AND business changes all at once in a giant project. Then they pick the technology that is anyone might be blaming and run with that excuse so it's nobody's fault.

Re:Company forgets why they exist after 11-week migration to... by mlrtime on Friday March 01, 2024 @09:04AM (#39561849)
In FAANG adjacent companies it is very difficult to get promos. And promos are the only way to get increase in pay due to leveling.

Promos require promo packs, and promo packs require large beefy projects. (Good luck jack of all trades).

Thus, you end up with these situations where large beefy projects are solutions looking for a problem as the core problem being solved is a promo, not a business need.

Re:Company forgets why they exist after 11-week migration to... by nine_zeros on Friday March 01, 2024 @05:45PM (#39567707)
This is really it. You get what is incentivized.