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Re:Apple cancels work on electric car, shifts team to genera... by paxys on Tuesday February 27, 2024 @02:40PM (#39528691)
> Apple is a best-in-class second mover.

Apple's biggest successes have come from being the first mover in a brand new space.

Apple II, Macintosh, iPod, iPhone, iPad, Airpods, Watch were all category defining rather than "me too" products.

In fact Apple is terrible at throwing its hat into an already crowded space, and doubly so when it comes to software.

Re:Apple cancels work on electric car, shifts team to genera... by timetopay on Tuesday February 27, 2024 @02:51PM (#39528859)
> Apple's biggest successes have come from being the first mover in a brand new space.

I would say that only one of the examples you gave was unambiguously the first mover in a brand new space. I will give you "category defining", though.

For example, the iPod had tons of competitors already in the field when it launched.

Airpods were not even close to the first wireless earbuds.

One of the Apple Watch's major competitors (fitbit) launched 8 years prior. The first smartwatch that could sync with a computer came out in the 80s.

The iPad came like a decade after Microsoft's first major tablet push. ATT and Sony/Magicap and Apple all released "smart tablets" in the early 90s.

The iPhone was not the first capacitive touch screen smartphone, and certainly not the first smartphone - over a decade late to that game.

The Macintosh was (sort of) a sequel to Apple's own Lisa, which itself was also not a first mover. The Mac was incredibly innovative and successful, but was preceded by the LISA, PERQ, Alto, various Lisp Machines.

> In fact Apple is terrible at throwing its hat into an already crowded space, and doubly so when it comes to software.

Couldn't be farther from the truth.

Re:Apple cancels work on electric car, shifts team to genera... by chucke1992 on Tuesday February 27, 2024 @03:17PM (#39529206)
iPhone has basically defined a category of mutli-touch screen devices. It essentially created the whole foundation how all the mobile phones went. It was a completely new consumer category of devices.

Apple Watch was a success because it used iPhone as a moat. iPad was built upon iPhone's foundation.

Apple is - by and large - "an iPhone company".

Re:Apple cancels work on electric car, shifts team to genera... by xcv123 on Tuesday February 27, 2024 @04:29PM (#39530249)
> It essentially created the whole foundation how all the mobile phones went. It was a completely new consumer category of devices.

I was already using smart phones, handhelds, tablets, etc, for years before the iPhone. Apple entered an existing category.

The iPhone wasn't even the first capacitive touchscreen phone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LG_Prada

Back in 2007 it was not seen as a completely new category or truly original. It was a variation within an existing category. At the time we did not think it was revolutionary, but of course it became the new standard.

Before they became an "iPhone company" they were an "iPod company", and that was also an existing category when it launched.

Re:Apple cancels work on electric car, shifts team to genera... by albedoa on Tuesday February 27, 2024 @04:17PM (#39530098)
> The iPad came like a decade after Microsoft's first major tablet push.

Wow, you really got their asses. Who could forget Microsoft's first major tablet push.

Re:Apple cancels work on electric car, shifts team to genera... by timetopay on Tuesday February 27, 2024 @07:30PM (#39532283)
You're right, it was closer to two decades prior. My bad.
Re:Apple cancels work on electric car, shifts team to genera... by soylentcola on Tuesday February 27, 2024 @03:35PM (#39529509)
These are all classes of device where existing options hashed out many of the growing pains before Apple released something more polished or attractive to buyers - the definition of second-mover.
Re:Apple cancels work on electric car, shifts team to genera... by dbbk on Tuesday February 27, 2024 @02:42PM (#39528725)
You just described second movers.
Re:Apple cancels work on electric car, shifts team to genera... by 015a on Tuesday February 27, 2024 @04:18PM (#39530116)
Welcome to History Revisionism.

Literally EVERY single example you listed were markets that already existed before Apple entered them (except maybe the Mac but that was so long ago who cares). MP3 players existed before the iPod. Smartphones existed before the iPhone. Wireless earbuds existed before Airpods. Tablets existed before the iPad. Smartwatches existed before the Apple Watch. VR goggles existed before Vision. Smartrings existed before the Apple Ring (just wait, its coming).

Their skill isn't in being a first mover. Their skill is being a second, or even last, mover into a space that has untapped potential, and unlocking that potential (for both their benefit and competitors).

Re:Apple cancels work on electric car, shifts team to genera... by chx on Tuesday February 27, 2024 @03:07PM (#39529075)
Really? really?

you think when the iPhone came out the space was not crowded? You think they defined the category? Jobs himself have put up a number of smartphones in his 2007 presentation. Yes, the iPhone was far, very far better but it was definitely not a first.

Same thing with the iPod vs Diamond Rio MP3 layers.

As for the Watch, gosh, I do not even know where to start. Pebble Kickstarter two years before that? Two generations of the Samsung Galaxy Gear came out well before the Apple Watch.

Re:Apple cancels work on electric car, shifts team to genera... by paxys on Tuesday February 27, 2024 @03:10PM (#39529114)
Look at a picture of what the top 10 smartphones looked like the day before iPhone launched and then again a few years later. That is what category defining means.

They didn't take whatever was out there in the market and copy it/make it incrementally better. They started from scratch and built something drastically different and better than the rest. Same for iPod (yes there were plenty of cheap MP3 players out there, but none of them were comparable), Airpods and all the rest.

Re:Apple cancels work on electric car, shifts team to genera... by Gigachad on Tuesday February 27, 2024 @04:26PM (#39530208)
The Apple watch was only incrementally better than the existing options. The original one was probably worse than the Pebble in some aspects.
Re:Apple cancels work on electric car, shifts team to genera... by xcv123 on Tuesday February 27, 2024 @03:11PM (#39529135)
> the iPhone was far, very far better

It wasn't that far ahead when it first launched. Very basic functionality. But a few versions later it was the end of Nokia and Blackberry.

https://www.mobilegazette.com/2007-review-07x12x12.htm

"No handset polarised opinions during 2007 more than the Apple iPhone. Although it has many good points, the list of bad points is equally impressive. The iPhone lacks 3G, the camera is only two megapixels and lacks autofocus and flash, you cannot send MMS messages, third party applications are not allowed, the battery is not replaceable and it is absurdly expensive."

Re:Apple cancels work on electric car, shifts team to genera... by Retr0id on Tuesday February 27, 2024 @03:21PM (#39529280)
People seem to forget that on launch, the iPhone was basically a feature phone.
Re:Apple cancels work on electric car, shifts team to genera... by xcv123 on Tuesday February 27, 2024 @03:36PM (#39529516)
I owned a Blackberry in 2007 and thought the new iPhone was trash.
Re:Apple cancels work on electric car, shifts team to genera... by Retr0id on Tuesday February 27, 2024 @02:46PM (#39528773)
iPhone was category defining for sure, but it was far from the first smartphone.
Re:Apple cancels work on electric car, shifts team to genera... by xcv123 on Tuesday February 27, 2024 @02:49PM (#39528826)
Second mover in every example except maybe the Apple II where the competitors released in the same year.

iPod was released in 2001. Portable MP3 players were released in the late 90s.