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Re:What Do We Get Wrong About the Byzantine Empire? by kragen on Monday February 26, 2024 @07:51PM (#39518715)
hopefully we can agree that tarquin was roman?

caesar had control over a very different territory than tarquin, very different styles of art, and a very different government and military than tarquin, and although he spoke tarquin's language, his subjects mostly didn't speak sabine and etruscan like tarquin's subjects did. i think you can make a case that basileios's government was a lot more similar to caesar's than caesar's was to gaius marcius rutilus's; certainly the justification caesar's assassins gave for killing him was that his government was uniquely un-roman

so sure, ship of theseus, but that didn't start with caesar. caesar was already five centuries of radical changes past tarquin (who also barely had a foothold in italy) and seven centuries after the mythological romulus

Re:What Do We Get Wrong About the Byzantine Empire? by acjohnson55 on Monday February 26, 2024 @10:50PM (#39519947)
Weren't the Tarquins Etruscans?
Re:What Do We Get Wrong About the Byzantine Empire? by kragen on Tuesday February 27, 2024 @08:24AM (#39523751)
originally, yeah
Re:What Do We Get Wrong About the Byzantine Empire? by acjohnson55 on Tuesday February 27, 2024 @10:21AM (#39525120)
Right, so even pre-Republic, the Roman purity test is kind of problematic.
Re:What Do We Get Wrong About the Byzantine Empire? by kragen on Tuesday February 27, 2024 @10:16PM (#39533540)
agreed
Re:What Do We Get Wrong About the Byzantine Empire? by mcmoor on Monday February 26, 2024 @11:00PM (#39520007)
I guess it can already be argued that Roman Kingdom != Roman Republic != Roman Empire. And if we continue this logic even further, they are all != Eastern Roman Empire.

But the name itself is a source of pride and everyone after still wants to claim that they're continuation of it, so much that we have more than one ship of Theseus by the end.

Re:What Do We Get Wrong About the Byzantine Empire? by kragen on Tuesday February 27, 2024 @08:54AM (#39524106)
i don't. fuck the romans. all of them, as well as anyone who aspires to be like them