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Re:Nobel Prize winner Gregg Semenza tallies tenth retraction by tomlockwood on Wednesday February 14, 2024 @11:04PM (#39378982)
Remember the Sokal Hoax and Sokal Squared?

Turns out that STEM also has all those problems.

For profit universities pushing academics to "publish or perish" are the real enemies here, for all disciplines.

Re:Nobel Prize winner Gregg Semenza tallies tenth retraction by manquer on Wednesday February 14, 2024 @11:27PM (#39379105)
Publish or perish and other academic pressures are hardly unique to for profit or even non profit universities, even Government institutions have similar incentive models to get tenure or other advancements, it seems pretty universal ?

Do you know of a study or citation about any academic research quality/quantity challenges that are found at a higher rate in for profit / non profit private institutions ?

Re:Nobel Prize winner Gregg Semenza tallies tenth retraction by tomlockwood on Monday February 19, 2024 @01:05AM (#39426640)
Tenure = money
Re:Nobel Prize winner Gregg Semenza tallies tenth retraction by aetherson on Wednesday February 14, 2024 @11:20PM (#39379064)
I'm pretty sure that this Nobel Prize winner does not work at a for profit university.
Re:Nobel Prize winner Gregg Semenza tallies tenth retraction by tomlockwood on Wednesday February 14, 2024 @11:29PM (#39379114)
Journals are also absolutely involved and incentivised.
Re:Nobel Prize winner Gregg Semenza tallies tenth retraction by derbOac on Thursday February 15, 2024 @12:23AM (#39379414)
For what it's worth, I sort of read that as "universities incentivized to maximize profit or income", not literally formally for-profit universities. Sort of a biting remark about typical university motivations, not literal.

Even if the poster didn't intend it that way, I think it could easily be read that way.

Re:Nobel Prize winner Gregg Semenza tallies tenth retraction by croes on Thursday February 15, 2024 @12:47AM (#39379548)
Just because it's non-profit doesn't mean it's not about money.
Re:Nobel Prize winner Gregg Semenza tallies tenth retraction by dekhn on Thursday February 15, 2024 @01:03PM (#39386018)
He works at Johns Hopkins, which is a private university that works closely with a health system called Johns Hopkins and the Johns Hopkins hospital (the medical school). When you say "for profit", be aware that they definitely take money from the government and patients and use it to develop new intellectual property that generates large amounts of money for them (although I guess the "profit" from that doesn't benefit the shareholders).

These "non-profits" have multi-billion dollar budgets and are highly "profitable" depending on how you like to define it. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/20/opinion/nonprofit-hospita... In these cases, the non-profits are given tax incentives provide a certain amount of community benefit.

Re:Nobel Prize winner Gregg Semenza tallies tenth retraction by BeetleB on Thursday February 15, 2024 @12:52AM (#39379576)
> Remember the Sokal Hoax and Sokal Squared?

The Sokal Hoax, while famous, is not very notable. They did not even publish in a peer reviewed journal.

Re:Nobel Prize winner Gregg Semenza tallies tenth retraction by bsdpufferfish on Thursday February 15, 2024 @03:26AM (#39380331)
Publish or perish is primarily about peer competition and promotion, not pressure from admins.

Teaching is the money maker.

Re:Nobel Prize winner Gregg Semenza tallies tenth retraction by tomlockwood on Thursday February 15, 2024 @04:13AM (#39380600)
In order to get tenure people need to have published.
Re:Nobel Prize winner Gregg Semenza tallies tenth retraction by bsdpufferfish on Thursday February 15, 2024 @10:54AM (#39384212)
because of competition with peers.
Re:Nobel Prize winner Gregg Semenza tallies tenth retraction by red-iron-pine on Thursday February 15, 2024 @09:55AM (#39383360)
This is true but a critical difference is that STEM is a lot more falsifiable.

Postmodern deconstruction lends itself to a million interpretations, but biological testing either works or doesn't, and inconclusive generally means it doesn't.