Popular XMPP App "Conversations" Removed from PlayStore by Google

Re:Popular XMPP App "Conversations" Removed from PlayStore b... by Roark66 on Wednesday February 14, 2024 @09:54AM (#39370433)

>Chrome constantly scans your harddrive in a way you can't easily turn off, and it's not for your safety: it's for the safety of their ad business to try to catch malware that engages in click fraud. If you have media or backup drives it just constantly adds wear to them.

Is this true? Chrome is open source so someone should be able to point out the code that is doing that. What is the source of this info if not the code?

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Re:Popular XMPP App "Conversations" Removed from PlayStore b... by doubled112 on Wednesday February 14, 2024 @10:14AM (#39370689)

https://blog.google/products/chrome/cleaner-safer-web-chrome...

https://www.google.com/chrome/privacy/whitepaper.html#unwant...

> Chrome periodically scans your device to detect potentially unwanted software. In addition, if you have opted in to automatically report details of possible security incidents to Google, Chrome will report information about unwanted software, including relevant file metadata and system settings linked to the unwanted software found on your computer.

> System information includes metadata about programs installed or running on your system that could be associated with harmful software, such as: services and processes, scheduled tasks, system registry values commonly used by malicious software, command-line arguments of Chrome shortcuts, Windows proxy settings, and software modules loaded into Chrome or the network stack.

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Re:Popular XMPP App "Conversations" Removed from PlayStore b... by fauigerzigerk on Wednesday February 14, 2024 @10:44AM (#39371172)

It no longer exists.

https://security.googleblog.com/2023/03/thank-you-and-goodby...

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Re:Popular XMPP App "Conversations" Removed from PlayStore b... by doubled112 on Wednesday February 14, 2024 @10:53AM (#39371330)

Glad to hear it. Interesting that the latest privacy whitepaper still includes the section on it.

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Re:Popular XMPP App "Conversations" Removed from PlayStore b... by clucas on Wednesday February 14, 2024 @10:38AM (#39371091)

This is interesting, I didn't know Chrome did this. But it doesn't back up the claim that "[i]f you have media or backup drives [Chrome] just constantly adds wear to them." Does anyone have anything on that?

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Re:Popular XMPP App "Conversations" Removed from PlayStore b... by ensignavenger on Wednesday February 14, 2024 @11:05AM (#39371514)

As pointed out above, Chrome no longer does this... but adding wear is a natural consequence of any hard drive scanning process. SSDs are rated for a certain number of read/write cycles, and every time a block is read, it adds wear.

Even spinning rust wears out eventually. Not knowing any details about how often Chrome did this, it is hard to say just how significant this wear would be compared to other normal uses of the media. But it is clear that wear would occur to some degree.

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Re:Popular XMPP App "Conversations" Removed from PlayStore b... by dylan604 on Wednesday February 14, 2024 @11:40AM (#39371890)

Not only does it add wear, it slows down other processes. People notice this after OS updates where the system re-indexes the volume after the update completes. It's also why most indexing processes do it late night or while the system is idle. For an app like a browser to do it is just rude.

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Re:Popular XMPP App "Conversations" Removed from PlayStore b... by CorrectHorseBat on Wednesday February 14, 2024 @12:11PM (#39372289)

> SSDs are rated for a certain number of read/write cycles, and every time a block is read, it adds wear.

Only write cycles cause wear, read cycles don't cause any meaningful wear.

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Re:Popular XMPP App "Conversations" Removed from PlayStore b... by ensignavenger on Wednesday February 14, 2024 @04:24PM (#39375622)

Thank you for clarifying that! I should have known that. So perhaps it wouldn't cause any meaningful drive wear, if the system didn't do a lot of writes. Still consumes CPU and power, though.

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Re:Popular XMPP App "Conversations" Removed from PlayStore b... by cma on Wednesday February 14, 2024 @05:24PM (#39376415)

Yeah, I mentioned media/backup drives since those are usually HDD rather than SSD. I didn't realize Chrome had stopped doing it now though. To disable it was a crazy number of steps with admin permissions.

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Re:Popular XMPP App "Conversations" Removed from PlayStore b... by clucas on Wednesday February 14, 2024 @12:37PM (#39372623)

Right, I understand about wear, but my point is that the behavior described in the links doesn't indicate that Chrome was scanning backup or media drives - only things like the registry, files directly related to Chrome, etc. If I have a drive with a bunch of random files on it, Chrome wasn't scanning those, was it?

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Re:Popular XMPP App "Conversations" Removed from PlayStore b... by cma on Wednesday February 14, 2024 @05:25PM (#39376430)

I only found out about it from noise from my media/backup HDDs, it was grinding them constantly when idle, chrome and windows were on SSD.

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Re:Popular XMPP App "Conversations" Removed from PlayStore b... by clucas on Thursday February 15, 2024 @08:11AM (#39382245)

Wow. Thanks for the info. Glad that feature has been removed...

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Re:Popular XMPP App "Conversations" Removed from PlayStore b... by giancarlostoro on Wednesday February 14, 2024 @11:37AM (#39371870)

When I realized that Microsoft Defender sends sample files for further inspection without keeping a history of the files I opted to just install Linux and move on. This alone gives me more reason to just only use Firefox exclusively like I always have been.

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Re:Popular XMPP App "Conversations" Removed from PlayStore b... by kuratkull on Wednesday February 14, 2024 @10:02AM (#39370538)

Chromium is open source, Google adds some secret magic sauce to make Chrome.

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Re:Popular XMPP App "Conversations" Removed from PlayStore b... by bluish29 on Wednesday February 14, 2024 @10:03AM (#39370554)

I don't know but chromium is the base of chrome. Does google release chrome in an open way?

Can't they (at least in principle) apply whatever patches they want before build and release?

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Re:Popular XMPP App "Conversations" Removed from PlayStore b... by grey_earthling on Wednesday February 14, 2024 @09:58AM (#39370484)

Chrome isn't open source.

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Re:Popular XMPP App "Conversations" Removed from PlayStore b... by BadHumans on Wednesday February 14, 2024 @09:57AM (#39370469)

I second this. This is a very strong accusation to have no proof.

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Re:Popular XMPP App "Conversations" Removed from PlayStore b... by cma on Wednesday February 14, 2024 @05:30PM (#39376487)

Linked above, they apparently removed it last March but it was there for years and years.

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Re:Popular XMPP App "Conversations" Removed from PlayStore b... by jcmoyer on Wednesday February 14, 2024 @02:12PM (#39373853)

Anecdotally, Chrome used to pin my hard drive at 100% usage until I killed a process called "software_reporter_tool.exe." I still have a version of the binary located at "%localappdata%\Google\Chrome\User Data\SwReporter\107.294.200" last modified 2022-11-02.

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