Re:WA House bill would make it illegal for police to lie dur...
by jeffbee on Monday February 05, 2024 @01:22PM
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Why does the subject of an interrogation have the right to request the presence of different cops?
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Re:WA House bill would make it illegal for police to lie dur...
by ceejayoz on Monday February 05, 2024 @01:26PM
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Ask the police chief; I'd imagine their department policy is that you can request one, given he's stating they do indeed have such a right.
If he wanted to make a "there's no right to a supervisor" argument, he should have. "You have the right, but we'll fake it" is the worst of both worlds.
Re:WA House bill would make it illegal for police to lie dur...
by darth_avocado on Monday February 05, 2024 @03:29PM
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Clearly you're not aware of the corruption in the small town government and justice system. If your neighbor is a friend of cop and they don't like you, plenty of cops are willing to put you through harassment and plenty of PDs, local prosecutors and judges who are willing to turn a blind eye towards it.
Essentially, unless you believe every single cop is pure at heart and incapable of making a mistake, you should be wanting a presence of more than just 1 cop.
Re:WA House bill would make it illegal for police to lie dur...
by jeffbee on Monday February 05, 2024 @03:35PM
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There isn't one single cop anywhere in America who can go five seconds without saying something false. That's why I don't understand the marginal utility of more cops in the room. The person you want in the room is your attorney.
Re:WA House bill would make it illegal for police to lie dur...
by jimz on Monday February 05, 2024 @03:59PM
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Ding ding ding ding. Not just that, but you have to affirmatively and unambiguously invoke your 5th Amendment rights. As in, "I wish to invoke my rights under the 5th Amendment of the United States Constitution to remain silent while my lawyer is not present, and I wish to explicitly invoke my 6th Amendment right to counsel." No weasel words, no maybes or I dunnos. Invoke your rights, and if they persist, invoke your rights again, and again, and again. It's the only way to save your ass before the lawyer arrives because the police are simply seeking to catch somebody, not the right person necessarily, and they will literally outsource the lying to the jailhouse snitch to make it happen, amongst other tricks. You can't explain your way out of a situation where the police feels that you are their best shot at getting a perp walk arrange ASAP. Your lawyer can though.
Re:WA House bill would make it illegal for police to lie dur...
by pixl97 on Monday February 05, 2024 @04:38PM
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And goddamn the cops will lie to you about how much worse your life is going to get for invoking the 5th. Most people do not have the experience or fortitude to stand up to an authority figure like this, they've been taught just the opposite, and cops know how to abuse the hell out of it.
Re:WA House bill would make it illegal for police to lie dur...
by duskwuff on Monday February 05, 2024 @01:51PM
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That's not the problem. If the police don't want to comply with a suspect's request for a supervisor, they can say "no". They shouldn't need to lie to the suspect about who they're talking to and what their roles are; that's an abuse of their position.