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Re:Solid-state EV batteries now face "production hell" by seanmcdirmid on Saturday January 27, 2024 @11:02PM (#39162442)
Oil leads to geopolitical destabilization since where it is found just happens to be a very volatile region. Even if the Americans somehow detached from the world market for oil (considering they have enough their own), the Chinese definitely aren't willing to forgo energy security by stopping their much more aggressive EV development programs.

Gasoline got us this far for a hundred years, now we can pursue a different path?

Re:Solid-state EV batteries now face "production hell" by whatshisface on Saturday January 27, 2024 @11:03PM (#39162449)
Gasoline can be made in a chemical plant from bio-organic feedstock. With sufficient energy input, anything is possible.
Re:Solid-state EV batteries now face "production hell" by seanmcdirmid on Saturday January 27, 2024 @11:07PM (#39162475)
Not economically. Oil is still the best way to get gasoline, and using other processes and inputs makes EVs even more attractive.
Re:Solid-state EV batteries now face "production hell" by eric-hu on Sunday January 28, 2024 @04:25AM (#39163905)
One datapoint supporting “not economically”:

There was a plant in Missouri to convert turkey offal into crude oil using leftovers from a Butterball plant. It’s been shuttered and the parent company filed for chapter 11.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Changing_World_Technologies

Re:Solid-state EV batteries now face "production hell" by yanowitz on Saturday January 27, 2024 @11:46PM (#39162658)
I think it’s important to remember (and buttresses the upthread points)—the volatility isn’t a coincidence—it’s a direct result of the discovery of the oil and the crucial role it played for imperialism and capitalist expansion.
Re:Solid-state EV batteries now face "production hell" by seanmcdirmid on Sunday January 28, 2024 @12:40AM (#39162918)
Before oil was even a thing that region was incredibly volatile. It is the cradle of civilization after all, so I guess it was always bound to be a powder keg.
Re:Solid-state EV batteries now face "production hell" by anovikov on Sunday January 28, 2024 @04:17AM (#39163851)
It has only become volatile after the Ottoman Empire collapsed. Was quite stable and safe before. It's just they didn't have nations before, were colonised and controlled by Ottomans while in Europe we had nation-states and nationalism since ~17 century and had enough time for cleansing to organise mono-ethnic, cohesive states. While even that, was only finished decisively by post-WWII "population transfers" (which was nothing but ethnic cleansing sold as a good thing).

They are still just starting on it.

Re:Solid-state EV batteries now face "production hell" by namaria on Sunday January 28, 2024 @09:07AM (#39165887)
Ethnic states are a things, albeit quite debatable since ethnicity is an entirely contingent and subjective construct. Monoethnic states are the dream of genocides, not ever a reality on the ground (doesn't matter how you define ethnicity).
Re:Solid-state EV batteries now face "production hell" by anovikov on Monday January 29, 2024 @01:16AM (#39173278)
Well where in a state there's no word in a language to differentiate between a citizen and someone of a title ethnicity, i can call it an ethnostate. Say Armenian or Polish: there's no 2nd word in their languages for that. Because there are so few citizens who aren't of title ethnicity, and they are so marginalised and subject to such a quick assimilation, there isn't even a need to bother inventing a word.

If there is such a word say, "Kazakh" vs "Kazakhstani" or "Russkiye" vs "Rossiyane", existence of such a word shows that this state is an empire.

Sometimes the "ethnic" word simply doesn't exist, say in "Canadian" or "American" for U.S.: it's only citizenship, there's no ethnicity at all - neither the word nor substance - showing a "melting pot" country.

Re:Solid-state EV batteries now face "production hell" by namaria on Monday January 29, 2024 @05:23AM (#39174743)
You're resting an awful lot of political and sociological thinking on a very superficial bit of very arbitrary linguistics.

I mean, concluding that Kazakhstan is an empire while the US is not pretty much discredits the whole thing.

Re:Solid-state EV batteries now face "production hell" by anovikov on Monday January 29, 2024 @07:51AM (#39175663)
That's as simple as having vs not having a title ethnicity in the country. If there's no title ethnicity it means there's just citizenship, no one subjugates another: it's a melting pot. Kazakhstan in particular, in any case, is moving towards an ethnic state, as every other ethnicity except Kazakh has very low birth rate there so in a few generations it will become homogenous.
Re:Solid-state EV batteries now face "production hell" by namaria on Monday January 29, 2024 @08:00AM (#39175707)
> If there's no title ethnicity it means there's just citizenship, no one subjugates another

That's a wild, unwarranted and patently wrong statement.

Re:Solid-state EV batteries now face "production hell" by danielovichdk on Sunday January 28, 2024 @02:16AM (#39163248)
Cradle of religion you mean
Re:Solid-state EV batteries now face "production hell" by seanmcdirmid on Sunday January 28, 2024 @05:48AM (#39164379)
Writing first shows up there, the first cities do as well.
Re:Solid-state EV batteries now face "production hell" by anonymouskimmer on Sunday January 28, 2024 @03:41AM (#39163643)
Oil funds the volatility.
Re:Solid-state EV batteries now face "production hell" by TylerE on Sunday January 28, 2024 @02:24AM (#39163288)
US oil production alone is close to the total output of "that region".
Re:Solid-state EV batteries now face "production hell" by namaria on Sunday January 28, 2024 @09:05AM (#39165873)
It has also been incredibly stable for incredibly long periods of time.
Re:Solid-state EV batteries now face "production hell" by zilti on Sunday January 28, 2024 @07:12PM (#39171317)
This couldn't be more wrong
Re:Solid-state EV batteries now face "production hell" by nwellnhof on Sunday January 28, 2024 @07:54AM (#39165230)
I'd argue that these regions only became politically volatile because oil was found there.
Re:Solid-state EV batteries now face "production hell" by namaria on Sunday January 28, 2024 @09:04AM (#39165850)
Than we can rephrase original claim to: "oil leads to geopolitical instability because it's only found in economically viable deposits in very specific areas of the planet."

This create strong asymmetries and strong incentives to project power.

Re:Solid-state EV batteries now face "production hell" by some_random on Sunday January 28, 2024 @11:16AM (#39167058)
It's not though, not in terms of oil production or reserves. Extractable resources can exacerbate instability by providing funding to warring groups and giving a reason for outside entities to interfere but none of this is even remotely set in stone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_proven_oi...

Re:Solid-state EV batteries now face "production hell" by zilti on Sunday January 28, 2024 @07:10PM (#39171302)
Yes, I mean, just look at Norway! Or the USA! Or Saudi Arabia! All constantly on the brink of political collapse!
Re:Solid-state EV batteries now face "production hell" by brohee on Monday January 29, 2024 @02:34PM (#39181281)
Saudi Arabia had to crank up the execution rate quite a bit to keep opposition in check recently. That only can work so long.

"Owning the wrong books, posting a critical tweet, speaking to a journalist or disagreeing with the Crown Prince can earn you a death sentence." (https://reprieve.org/uk/2024/01/02/saudi-arabia-executed-at-...)